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  • AdamW
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    They’re all mad around there. I find this video fairly apt, based on the history of the region.

    [video]http://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY[/video]

    rossi46
    Member

    While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria, reports The Independant

    Looks like Obama (military supply) care has worked wonders for them then 😆

    rossi46
    Member

    This is an interesting thing- ISIS Linked Group Kidnaps Teenagers In Isreal – could the current Israel/ Palestine situation have been instigated by ISIS?
    The article was dated June 14th 2014.

    Hence:

    While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria

    konabunny
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    While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria, reports The Independant

    Hold on – I thought the conspiracy theory was that the US got Ukraine to shoot down a plane to distract from Israel invading Gaza unnoticed. Now you’re telling me that the US got Ukraine to shoot down a plane to distract from Israel invading Gaza unnoticed but if anyone did notice, their noticing was designed to distract them from ISIS seizing Eastern Syria?

    rossi46
    Member

    US got Ukraine to shoot down a plane to distract from Israel invading Gaza unnoticed

    Errr no, thats just a coincidence.

    The article was saying that while the world was looking elsewhere, this is what was happening in Syria. Because it wasn’t being reported in the news.
    That’s all.

    CountZero
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    I think also that while there was understandably huge sympathy among the Left for the plight of Jews after WW2 there then came the slow realisation of that making the Palestinians pay for the crimes committed by the Germans and other Europeans was a huge injustice.

    This.

    rossi46
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    Here we go- American Air Force back in business over Iraq!
    About time or a bad decision? Or is it too little too late?

    chewkw
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    Woohoo the fighter jets are in action again … more please as I want to see A-10 in action.

    Mr Woppit
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    I think the entire region is about to descend into complete chaos.

    Borders and civil structure will disappear and the bloodletting will be huge. The USA will become enmeshed in a nightmare the like of which will make it’s previous adventurism look like masterful strategic successes.

    Israel is allowing itself to be distracted by a sideshow and may have taken it’s eye of the wider regional ball.

    The next question will be – which way will the Iranians jump?

    On the diplomatic front, Tony Blair declares himself to be jesus and marries David Icke.

    You may already know of my slight mistrust of the CIA. Mi6 and Mossad, so I’ll avoid too much real world analysis and go in the deep end playing devils advocate for a massive and bonkers conspiracy theory:

    Albert Pike’s 3 World Wars, apparently from a letter written in 1871, though some dispute this as a hoax; nonetheless, it appears there is evidence to date it back at least as far as 1894:

    The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.”

    Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

    The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”

    After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

    (Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau – as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

    The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

    Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

    More here, or google Albert Pike

    Hard to fathom how it could be true, but certainly an interesting coincidence if nothing else

    chewkw
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    Mr Woppit – Member

    I think the entire region is about to descend into complete chaos.

    Really? I thought it is normality for the people there as it has been going on for many years since the 1st gulf war. The Dear Leaders of those days started to let ego got to their brains so testing the world norm. Well, they all vanish into ashes … They could have remained as the greatest Dear Leaders (Kings) amongst their people if only they could clam their ego.

    Borders and civil structure will disappear and the bloodletting will be huge. The USA will become enmeshed in a nightmare the like of which will make it’s previous adventurism look like masterful strategic successes.

    Well that’s the period of inevitable painful adjustment so it must happen. Do you have to show concern for USA? I mean why? It is not as if they need the rest of the world to show them any concerns? Yes?

    Israel is allowing itself to be distracted by a sideshow and may have taken it’s eye of the wider regional ball.

    Israel is there to stay and supported by USA so what are the world going to do? Sanction USA? Go on do it …

    The next question will be – which way will the Iranians jump?

    Iran will remain neutral back by Russia but if they are threaten by the so called rat-tac army they will retaliate and I bet USA or the rest will just keep quiet.

    On the diplomatic front, Tony Blair declares himself to be jesus and marries David Icke.

    Ya, how much does he charge per hour again to give his opinion? Quids in … kechiinnngg!

    😯

    chewkw
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    Oh ya … for the left wing thinkers that keeps banging on Israel all I can say is you have deep rooted hatred for USA or the Jews. One of them anyway while the rest are just side shows.

    1. Left wing ideology -> hatred for USA -> hence anything USA supports deem unfair (very deep hatred here).

    2. Palestinian vs Israel -> good platform to vent hatred and anger because this is the ultimate area they can inflame others and to gather momentum for their hatred of USA etc.

    (How come nobody show concerns for the Nigerian school girls being kidnapped? Is it coz they are Nigerian?)

    3. Very biased and will only bite on something that they feel can continue their hatred.

    4. Irrational justification for “David’s” (the small guy) action firing home made rockets to the big guy (Israel that is if you don’t know). Then cried heavy handed retaliation … I mean why don’t I give you a small stick to poke the Asia wasps nest (not the EU wasps coz they are small) and you continue to sit next the nest while poking it. Then cry out halt to see if the wasps will only sting your proportionately. Do it for experiment.

    5. Oh yes they keep equating Israel to Nazis … hmmm … I think you are slowly showing your true colour here. I mean deep down you would like to demolish Israel don’t you? Yes?

    🙄

    Mr Woppit
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    Love the well-placed emoticon, there…

    Given the vast finances and military resources that the USA (with it’s rich history of genocide and constant war) plough into Israel,

    (How come nobody show concerns for the Nigerian school girls being kidnapped? Is it coz they are Nigerian?)

    You have to wonder why Obama, the CIA, the Pentagon NSA/GCHQ (and the bosses of them all the Rothschilds of Federal Reserve fame) and Netanyahu (who has all the weapons and Mossad at his disposal) aren’t putting any effort into freeing the kidnapped girls; as they seem only to happy to intervene in the resource rich Middle East time and again…

    Pigface
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    Bloody hell a picture turned up on my Twitter feed showing two victims of ISIS 😥 (allegedly) really disturbing stuff.

    gobuchul
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    I do not have a problem with the USA performing air strikes on ISIS forces.

    Hope they blow them to pieces, horrible evil bastards.

    chewkw
    Member

    Why do ISIS have to kidnap women en-mass?
    For their pleasure? Sexual appetite? Sex slave?

    If they think their twisted ideology is here to stay then please let them meet Mr A-10 with wide grin. 😡

    Edit: this group actually kill innocence.

    rossi46
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    Well i guess this is inevitable – could there be a revenge attack far worse than 9/11 just around the corner? I guess they have jihadist recruits all over the world lying low just waiting for an instruction.
    Remember the 7th July bombers? They were completely off the radar until that day.

    I guess they have jihadist recruits all over the world lying low just waiting for an instruction.

    No, I guess that they don’t.

    I also guess that they very much want you to think they have.

    chewkw
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    Well, if they try to exterminate Yazidis then they should deserve the full wrath of the almighty A-10 Thunderbolt (Warthog) II.

    Let’s see if they can withstand the A-10’s rage. 😡

    I’ve just stumbled across this for the first time, from a man who has ambitions to be Tory Party leader and therefore one day British Prime Minister.

    The liberation of Iraq has actually been that rarest of things – a proper British foreign policy success. Next year, while the world goes into recession, Iraq is likely to enjoy 10% GDP growth. Alone in the Arab Middle East, it is now a fully functioning democracy with a free press, properly contested elections and an independent judiciary … Sunni and Shia contend for power in parliament, not in street battles. The ingenuity, idealism and intelligence of the Iraqi people can now find an outlet in a free society rather than being deployed, as they were for decades, simply to ensure survival in a fascist republic that stank of fear.

    “a proper British foreign policy success”

    “Sunni and Shia contend for power in parliament, not in street battles”

    Triumph of freedom over evil

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    chewkw – Member
    Why do ISIS have to kidnap women en-mass?

    They render A-10s impotent.

    redthunder
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    😉

    [url=https://flic.kr/p/oo81qX]ISIS Lorry[/url] by SGMTB, on Flickr

    http://www.isistransport.com/

    chewkw
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    slowoldman – Member
    They render A-10s impotent.

    How? Human shields?

    Redthunder – you should take out the ISIS cargo … 😯

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    How? Human shields?

    Precisely.

    rossi46
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    So today’s news: apart from people being buried alive, even more sickening in my view is the Australian jihadist posing in front of the camera with his 8 year old son holding the severed head of a Syrian soldier. The man proudly announces “that’s my boy”.
    Absolutely sick!

    Premier Icon jambalaya
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    Remember the 7th July bombers? They were completely off the radar until that day.

    @rossi, sadly they were not off the radar, there is anti-terror surveillance video of them ona training weekend in Wales (I think). The fact they weren;t stopped suggests to me the security services are following lots of people.

    Also we are discussing this Australian jihadist photo on another thread, we are suffering thread overload wrt middle east right now IMO. other thread link

    This isn’t a case of it won’t end well. It simply won’t end… Sorry if this stirs emotions or objections – I feel like the old git who complains to Points of View…

    Western ideology and democracy don’t sit well in tribal cultures. The fundamental issue here is radicalisation of faith and a willingness to die for one’s beliefs. ISIS have the momentum to form a virtual state, one in which the rule of law is determined by an interpretation of a story, their interpretation. I have no sway with religion at all and I’m entitled to my opinion, as is everyone – whether you ‘believe’ or not.

    Koran, Bible, Tora – whatever the ‘guidebook’, one has to ask whether they are out of date in the modern world. If they map out the journey for faith, they do so from a time when the respective cultures rarely had anything to do with one another. Now we have multiculturalism on a global scale – largely as a force for good if diversity and inclusion are given a chance.

    Killing in the name of religion, moreover killing for the sake of varying beliefs, is a travesty. Superior firepower doesn’t equate to being right. All to often though, it seems that way.

    I have mixed emotions about the Middle East just now. I genuinely hope for the best for Yazidis and do agree with the airstrikes as a mechanism for halting what is essentially genocide. I also hope we don’t see an escalation to the fighting – I get the sense that this has the potential to draw fuel into the fire from Syria and other disaffected areas that have struggled since the Arab Spring.

    Premier Icon jambalaya
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    Koran, Bible, Tora

    Wonderchump that’s why religions change, they do move with the time in terms of practice. The problem is fundamentalists (of all religions) do try and force things back to the past using violence. If they didn’t have religion to hide behind these people would find another reason so I don;t personally hold the religion responsible.

    I agree they do move with the times but at a glacial pace and it takes time to affect that through culture. So I’m not holding religion responsible per se, I would like to hold blind faith and fundamentalism to account though.

    rossi46
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    I agree, religion is not the cause of all this but people who use a religion as an excuse to do evil are.
    And I think you are right that there will be no end to all this. Sad.

    Junkyard
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    I would like to hold blind faith and fundamentalism to account though.

    I dont think you can have this without religion personally
    Not these days anyway.
    Western liberals are a little less willing to die for their beliefs [ though we may be just as willing to kill sadly]

    dannyh
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    Air strikes to take out any heavy weaponry they may have, then help the Kurds to stave them off.

    They are vile, medieval thugs and we need to help civilised people (of whatever race or religion) to fight medieval barbarism. This is not the ‘west’ versus Muslims, this is about civil versus barbaric. There is a clear difference and the ‘west’ ought not to shirk its responsibilities here.

    enfht
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    This is not the ‘west’ versus Muslims

    Agreed, Islamism vs the non believers would be more accurate.

    and the ‘west’ ought not to shirk its responsibilities here.

    Are the west to blame for jihad in China and Africa as well?

    rossi46
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    So the beheading of James Foley was truly disgusting and evil, and it seems to be the doing of a British Jihadist.
    Now the US are preparing to go into Syria to some degree. How ironic, first arm them then go and fight them!
    Now there’s talk of trying to get Al Bashir to ‘help’.
    Crazy or what?

    RayMazey
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    loddrik – Member

    George W Bush. What a guy. What a plan.

    This ^^^

    American and British foreign policy IMO has made the world a far more dangerous place. Millions of lives lost. Billions of tax payers pounds spent (at great cost to public services) And for what? A better life for the few.? Certainly not for any humanitarian reasons. Seems to me, a lot of terrorists wear suits and ties.

    ps. Hope this does not prompt a visit from the guys with the shades and wires coming out of their ears.

    So the beheading of James Foley was truly disgusting and evil, and it seems to be the doing of a British Jihadist.

    Actually it has been suggested that the video was heavily edited and the Brit merely made the speech for propaganda purposes while the actual beheading was carried out by someone else.

    Personally I doubt whether a university graduate from London with no experience of war zones or killing people is of much use in that respect. I suspect their duties are restricted to guarding prisoners and making propaganda videos and cups of coffee. ISIS will have far more experienced and effective killers among Chechen and Arab fighters who have known killing, death, and war, most of their brutalised lives.

    Did you know Assad was nominated for a knighthood?

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i00HpR_uu3g[/video]

    Tom_W1987
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    I seem to remember that Assad was once thought to be a bright individual who was opposed to conflict and violence…..

    But now everyone thinks he’s stupid and fancies a ruck ?

    Tom_W1987
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    No but that might explain the nomination.

    The Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu went beyond the nomination stage and got his knighthood from the Queen, there was never any doubt that the geezer was an arsehole.

    Awarding these honorary knighthoods is merely playing international politics and provides little clue on the character of the individual other than he meets with the approval of the British government.

    Tom_W1987
    Member

    Good point.

    5thElefant
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    Personally I doubt whether a university graduate from London with no experience of war zones or killing people is of much use in that respect.

    I can’t see how having a degree would handicap someone form cutting off a head, or shooting bound prisoners in the back.

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