The world has gone crazy.

I’m not sure it has, although someone who compares wearing a face covering during an epidemic with adulation for a paramilitary organisation, which was responsible for organising the mass murder of millions of people in death camps, probably has a few issues.

Being pro EU / pro face masks is apparently the other side of a coin that has Nazi insignia. The world has gone crazy.

The annoying thing there is that it’s seemingly binary. If you’re not anti- face masks or the EU then you must love them, there’s no middle ground. The concept of “putting up with it because it’s probably for the best” doesn’t exist in the heads of these melts.

But (allegations against Corbyn aside) is there a link between the far left and antisemitism?

I mean, if you ignore the whole Soviet Union, and the 40+ years of Communism in Central and Eastern Europe…no.

The daft that about that of course is that the arabic race are semites and most western jews are not if you take the real meaning of the word

“anti-Semitic” means “anti-Jewish” in English, and everyone understands it as such. It’s like “Caucasian” or “liberal arts” – its etymology its irrelevant to its current usage.

I mean, if you ignore the whole Soviet Union, and the 40+ years of Communism in Central and Eastern Europe…no.

Those were totalitarian states not left wing 😉

But (allegations against Corbyn aside) is there a link between the far left and antisemitism?

I mean, if you ignore the whole Soviet Union, and the 40+ years of Communism in Central and Eastern Europe…no.

You mean if you ignore history. Jews have historically held leadership roles within communist movements, from the very start of Bolshevism in Russia to more recent times in Apartheid South Africa. And today the Israeli Communist Party has seats in the Knesset.

Jewish involvement in communism has always been disproportionately high, including here in the UK. Indeed the whole ideology owes its existence to one of the most famous Jews the world has ever known.

“anti-Semitic” means “anti-Jewish”

So why not say anti-Jewish then? Because anti-Semitic doesn’t mean anti-Semitic. Someone like Rachel Riley is no more Middle-Eastern/Semitic than I am African.

Those were totalitarian states not left wing 😉

Is the winky to signal that you are talking bollocks? You might call them totalitarian but to deny that communist parties are left-wing is absurd in the extreme.

Either the bloke knows full well what that insignia is or he needs helping to understand.
Call me a snowflake or whatever the term is now but that’s a strong NO from me.
I’ve reported racist behavior at work and people said oh it’s just him being a dick ect just like the OPs Facebook friends.turns out the guy I reported was a tad more than slightly “off” he was a card carrying bad egg a very bad egg indeed.

Well its obviously a facetious point but I do not see totalitarian states as left wing.  They create an elite, there is not the “from each according to their abilities to each according to their needs?

USSR especially – special lanes in the roads that only the elite could use and so on.  left wing rhetoric yes but was that really according to Marx’s writings to create an elite with special privilege?

Maybe from 1917 – 1939 it was closer

So you were being serious.

Meeting your approval does not define whether a party is left-wing. The CPSU was left-wing. Indeed it was far-left.

Either the bloke knows full well what that insignia is or he needs helping to understand.

If the belt buckle was custom made, as claimed, I think it is reasonable to assume that he fully understands the meaning of the insignia.

NO I was being facetious.  But do you really think a society that creates an elite that are given special privilege is in accordance with the writings of Marx and Engels?

I don’t remember Das Kapital having a chapter on this.  Creating an elite with access to cars, transport, travel and food not available to the masses?  I was in russia during the transion a few months after the fall of the berlin wall.  There were lanes on the roads reserved for party members only.  hardly egalitarian  there were bars and shops that you could only spend dollars in – unavailable to the masses.

Creation of a priveleged elite seems hardly left wing to me.

But do you really think …..

It’s got bugger all to do with what I think. The CPSU was far-left by the accepted definition of the term. I do not get to define what a term means anymore than you do.

so far left includes the creation of a special class of people with privilege that is not available to the masses?

Hmm – I must read Das kapital again to see where Marx said that 🙂

Maybe from 1917 – 1939 it was closer

You mean the USSR was more authetically left wing during the years of ethnic cleansing (and subsequent mass deaths) of Koreans, Yezhovschina, the Holodomor, purges, and “Trotskyite-Zinovievite” show trials? Kinell, that’s the worst No True Scotsman Socialist argument I’ve ever heard.

Fair enough.

I must read Das kapital again

I struggle to believe that someone who was apparently oblivious to Stalin’s pre-World War 2 purges has read Das Kapital. Have you read it just the once?

😉

Aye – and yonks ago  Like 40 years ago.  got my dates confused over the purges.

If the belt buckle was custom made, as claimed, I think it is reasonable to assume that he fully understands the meaning of the insignia.

Yeah, reading again it’s part of a collaboration piece showcasing small volume artisans, like he’s some kind of Aryan race influencer… 🙄 He’s having a leather belt made to pair with the buckle that “follows the same theme”.

I had a look at the Instagram of the guy who made the buckle to see if he was of that type (he appears to be), turns out my mate has also bought a Viking axe necklace pendant and had the double lightning stamped into it too.

Definitely not getting an innocent “that’s a catchy design, I like it” vibe about the whole thing. I’ll bring it up the next time I see him, find out which of the Schutzstaffel deeds he admires the most.

At this point, if it were me I’d be questioning “mate.” I’m not stuck for friends and I’m a higher-functioning sociopath.

Why would anyone put up with this shit? “Yes but he’s a fr…” nah, **** him, he’s a Nazi sympathiser. Go hang out with people who aren’t c**ts.

You let someone like that into your home, professional clean asap.

I’d be referring him to the deradicalisation hotline*.

If he was once “normal” enough to be a mate, something/someone has pushed him down this route, and it might be possible he can turn back again. Or at least he might end up on the security services radar.

*Yes, I know its a much criticised scheme, but pretty much all we’ve got.

Yeah, reading again it’s part of a collaboration piece…

Not the first time there have been Nazi collaborators…

So 20 minutes ago I read this thread, and just now STW served me an advert for pro-gun clothing.

Coincidence or not?

What did you buy

What on earth is “pro-gun clothing”? A tee-shirt reading “I ❤ guns, me”?

What on earth is “pro-gun clothing”?

Stuff like this?

It’s a MAGA tee-shirt. Anyone who wants to make America great again loves America and is therefore is pro-gun. Simples

Perhaps I should have screen-grabbed, but it was basically a T-shirt with what I think were some AK47 rifles and a slogan like “I don’t take gun control advice from a government than armed the Taliban”.

It’s a MAGA tee-shirt. Anyone who wants to make America great again loves America and is therefore is pro-gun. Simples

We may have seen different adverts? Unless you’re trying to be funny?

Stuff like this?

That’s actually a Proud Boys tee, so it’s not so much pro-gun as pro-fascist…

We may have seen different adverts? Unless you’re trying to be funny?

I’m not seeing any adverts, and no, my comment with regards to loving America equating with being pro-gun wasn’t supposed to be taken entirely seriously.

Back in the mid noughties, they did a poll in Austria where 60% of people said they had fascist sympathies.
Hofer nearly was elected with 49.3% of the vote. Then there was Joerg Haider in the ’90s.
Would that stop you buying anything Austrian?

Possibly…bearing in mind the actions of one of Austria’s most (in)famous sons?

Back in the mid noughties, they did a poll in Austria where 60% of people said they had fascist sympathies.

Was that a poll of the entire country or the usual subset and extrapolate nonsense?

What motorbike does he ride?
I bet it’s early 2000s, noisy 4 into 1,no rear mudguard, highish bars with a brace across it and some high end but shagged rear shocks.

Maybe I saw that T-shirt advert because they’d paid for “fascist closet” and related keywords.

That’s a joke for the SEO heads.

I am very glad that I pass judgement on people who might openly display signs of being neo-Nazis.

That has had my Twitter feed suspended twice recently, once was for a post to MTG, after one of her typically vile, and hateful tweets.

I let it sit there for a couple of weeks then deleted it. I don’t use Twitter much anyway because I’d be permanently suspended.

Well its obviously a facetious point but I do not see totalitarian states as left wing.

North Korea isn’t Left Wing? Well, that’s a surprise to me. Then there was the Khmer Rouge, I think there might be a clue in the name, somewhere. Oh, and then there was Sendoro Illuminoso…

…Although they weren’t a State, more an extreme Communist group of terrorists.

North Korea isn’t Left Wing? Well, that’s a surprise to me.

You’re going to be even more surprised when you discover they have the word ‘Democratic’ in their official name.

Just because it says it’s something does not make it so. It is no more a peoples republic than it is democratic.

I let it sit there for a couple of weeks then deleted it. I don’t use Twitter much anyway because I’d be permanently suspended.

Yeah, I’m on my 4th or 5th account.
Calling out right wingers/fascists/techbros/oligarchs tends to get you deleted/suspended/blocked in very short order.

Pointing out hypocrisy and bad behaviour from yoghurt knitting lefties and green do gooders tends to either get ignored or a response/apology of sorts.

Wonder who the real snowflakes are.

We always knew who the real snowflakes were.

Often those who are most in favour of ‘free speech’ are the thinnest skinned – Alastair Stewart being a prime example.

You’re going to be even more surprised when you discover they have the word ‘Democratic’ in their official name.

Just because it says it’s something does not make it so. It is no more a peoples republic than it is democratic.

CountZero didn’t refer to North Korea’s official name at all.

Are you, too, denying that North Korea is a left wing regime?

denying that North Korea is a left wing regime?

Once you get a totalitarian state to that point, I don’t think conventional political descriptions are of any use