Is obesity really a disease?

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  • Is obesity really a disease?
  • Junkyard
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/23011804

    Ok so the US of A has classed obesity as a disease , thereby making a staggering 1/3 of their population ill.

    Personally I am unsure. It is in the realms of addiction where the person clearly has a problem but they also have a relatively easy cure.
    That said many of us are able to eat without an issue, drink without being alcoholics etc so is their a genetic reason or is it just lack of self control?

    So over to the the STW massive [ see what I did there] is obesity an illness?

    Premier Icon AndyRT
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    I am 17 stone or more. I ride at least 100 kilometers every week on lovely trails, but I love food. I don’t drink or smoke. Like Gary, I eat healthy food.

    I constantly feel under threat due to opinionated, rude and ill informed numpties like Xiphon. I am happy you feel so secure in your existence.

    For anybody else that took offence by his ridiculous statements, if like me you know what you want to achieve and it’s hard, my message is this

    Not being slim does not make us bad people.

    Xiphon, I don’t wish you anything but happiness, but I do hope you wake up to the fact that we are all different and whilst you are entitled to your opinions, I call you what you are:

    A Troll

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    AndyRT – agreed, well said.

    I find it pretty difficult to post on this thread but I will continue to attempt to educate people concerning thyroid disorders. After all, I’ve also been educating GPs to dispel their belief that I’m a fat moaning menopausal woman. 😐

    OK, I’ll shut up now. πŸ˜‰

    I reckon STW obesity threads are an addiction.

    hora
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    transporter13

    :mrgreen:

    xiphon
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    Good luck Gary!

    I have a friend who ballooned to 26st about 2 years ago (Officer on a cruise ship – too easy to eat 3 cooked meals a day!) – now he’s 13 stone (and fit as a fiddle). Similar to yourself, he looked at his reflection and was quite shocked…

    Apparently it was the longest two years of this life!

    Keep your chin(s) up πŸ™‚

    kudos100
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    Obesity is no more a disease than having a low I.Q. In the vast majority of cases is the result of eating too much and moving too little. Anyone who disputes this needs to look at the facts and statistics.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obesity+statistics+worldwide&safe=off&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=uGjJUdiGH-XF0QWcl4GACg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA&biw=1745&bih=868

    camo16
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    Anyone who disputes this needs to look at the facts and statistics.

    I dunno, man, I heard that 74% of Internet arguments use too many facts and statistics.

    shermer75
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    disΒ·ease
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    Noun

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    2. A particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.

    Premier Icon transporter13
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    Like andyrt. I don’t smoke or drink. But I do agree with xiphon in that if you eat too much regardless of food type and don’t excercise then you will be bigger than necessary.
    Genetic makeup could account for some but with no experience I can’t say.

    Camo 16. Cheers bud. Hopefully it won’t be down to luck but instead me making sure I want it enough not to get bored of doing it.

    Not everyone who is obese is guilty of over-eating. Stop being so judgemental.

    They are guilty of either eating the wrong things or over eating.

    How else are they consuming more calories than they can burn?

    In > Out = Gain weight
    Out > In = Loose weight
    In = Out = Neither loose nor gain.

    This sounds great but is wrong. It’s about what you eat more than how much.

    Two examples:

    1. Imagine one person who’s diet is 2000 cals a day of table sugar and a second who’s diet is a mix of vegetables, meat, eggs, fish and healthy fats, again 2000 calories. There body composition and health will be very different after a month.

    2. This guy is doing a challenge where he’s eating in excess of 5000 calories a day to prove it’s about what not how much

    Sorry, but once you start putting up equations something has to be done!

    On the origial point. I guess it is a disease because it’s something that’s wrong with your body with defined symptoms. It slighty sticks in the throat because of how it’s self caused in the vast majority of cases and the inference that if it’s a disease then medicine should be used to treat it.

    Very easily treated with lifestyle changes. Unfortunately a lot of the embedded knowledge in the medical sector and outside is a bit out of skew – see above!

    camo16
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    Camo 16. Cheers bud. Hopefully it won’t be down to luck but instead me making sure I want it enough not to get bored of doing it.

    Positive vibes…

    When you’re super buff, can you please post a picture of yourself in some enormous trousers? πŸ˜€

    Seriously, I wish you well. Sounds like your head is in the right place.

    Premier Icon zilog6128
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    That’s just a weird western perception. Anywhere else in the world being fat means you’re rich, not broken.

    Never seen a northerner pat his belly and proudly say “all bought and paid for”?

    Premier Icon zilog6128
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    But I do agree with xiphon in that if you eat too much regardless of food type and don’t excercise then you will be bigger than necessary.

    This is true. You could eat nothing but healthy food, but if you eat more than your body needs you’ll still be fat. I also think people often over-emphasise exercise/activity whereas IMO diet (quality & quantity) is by far the biggest factor.

    @transporter13: my advice would be to search for iDave diet threads (contentious issue alert!). For a chap of your size the weight will just fall off, and that will be all the motivation you need to keep going. It worked for me (lost 3 stone in 4 months). Good luck.

    jfletch
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    I’ve seen the figure of 2% of the population having a thyroid disorder. Many people are fine with the right meds. I have an uncommon type and self-medicate with drugs I buy from outside the UK. Despite a family history, I was not listened to by GPs.

    I appreciate that for you this is a big issue but you seem to have found the source of your issue (even if self medicating from dodgy imported drugs will sound like twaddle to most of us).

    But at a population level 2% or even 5% is very low. Its not a very helpful message to get out to people that they may be overweight because of some mysterious condition when the overwhelming probability is that they are just eating too much and exercising too little.

    Fat people need to eat less. End of.

    If after doing that they aren’t losing weight then other options should be looked at, but the overwhelming probability is that they eat too much. And even when they say they have cut down the overwhelming probability is that they still eat too much, but are just unaware of what they are eating or blatanly lying.

    or blatanly lying.

    Fat people are liars !

    Premier Icon AndyRT
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    So we are just lazy liars.

    Nice.

    Fat lazy liars.

    Premier Icon AndyRT
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    Ah yes, I forgot that bit.

    or blatanly lying.

    Fat people are liars !

    I think the “or” means that this applies to some people not all people.

    Fairly inflammatory remark but probably got the reaction he was looking for.

    jfletch
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    So we are just lazy liars.

    Yep – All of you!

    Of course not all fat people are liars, that isn’t what I said.

    But >=95% of fat people are fat because they eat too much. <95% of fat people will admit this.

    Premier Icon nickc
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    thread needs mor Molgrips

    this applies to some people not all people.

    Well clearly not everyone is a fat liar.

    Premier Icon transporter13
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    Ernie. I resent that remark

    I don’t lie

    Premier Icon AndyRT
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    I am πŸ˜€

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    thread needs mor Molgrips

    Don’t panic, here I am πŸ™‚

    Our bodies respond differently to different stimuli. Just look at that congenitally unfit thread from yesterday. It seems to be perfectly fine to have a body that won’t respond to exercise, but if you have one that tends to gain fat more easily you get derided as a lazy pathetic slob.

    We all know people who eat loads and are very skinny. We all know fat people. Some of those fat people will be eating a lot more than others. If you do a bit of biking and eat normally, and are skinny, you congratulate yourself on maintaining your weight. I do a bit of biking (often more than a bit) and I eat normally, and I weigh 14st at 5’11”

    It really galls to be lectured on being a fat weak minded slob by you lot, when I go to the canteen at work for my unsweetened coffee and there are skinny people who do less exercise than me popping muffins and crisps.

    Most people can get fat if they pig out, and skinny if they train, but how readily that change occurs varies massively. My sister for instance pigged out and drank a lot before she was 30 without any exercise, she gained maybe a stone of extra weight in all that time, and lost it when she settled down. Doing the same thing causes some people to become obese.

    brakes
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    so therefore people need to be able to modify their eating based on their own ability to deal with food.
    it’s about education, not medication.

    EDIT: there’s also an age consideration here – people need to reduce their calorie intake as they get older, their physiology changes and they become less active. the opposite tends to happen and people eat more as they get older.

    Premier Icon AndyRT
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    It’s also about other factors…stress, depression, anxiety…all triggers for eating for some of us.

    What gets me is that I hate rubbish food… But I travel a lot. Show me where you can get away from cheap nasty food!

    I don’t crave cheese of sugar…of burgers or pizza or any other stuff, but on a normal motorway services it’s all the choice your given.

    I choose to wait until I get home or wait until I’m near a supermarket, but surely healthier food could be offered????

    Peyote
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    it’s about education, not medication.

    This is a branch of medecine that is so often under exploited. Not surprisingly considering the lack of profits GSK and Pfizer can (or can’t rather) make out of it.

    Behaviour change and education are the two major stumbling blocks to our maintaining our current lifestyles.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Yep. But self denial is pretty difficult on a permanent basis. Especially when the link between food, pleasure and satisfaction is so deeply hard-wired into our brains.

    Some people need only deny themselves that afternoon cake or a second helping of pudding; some people don’t need to deny anything, and some have to take more drastic steps like cutting out all sugar and starch.

    Premier Icon binners
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    If only people would stopped making really nice pies, then I’d be fine. Instead, they keep doing things like this…

    Its almost like they want me to be a porker. The monsters!!!! πŸ™

    Premier Icon Woody
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    I went from size 10 to size 18 with no change in a decent diet.

    With all due respect, as I know you’ve bad huge problems but why on earth do you have to self-medicate. Surely if they have now identified the problem, you should be treated within he NHS. Sorry if I missed part of he saga but I’m genuinely interested as my Mother is borderline under-active thyroid.

    fwiw I think that calling it a disease is disastrous and is only going to make a lot of people, from gastric band surgeons down to quack dieticians, a lot of money. Will anyone be able to afford medical insurance in The States if treatment becomes commonplace (I imagine the insurance companies will have a no-treatment clause pretty sharpish)

    Like a few posters above, I believe the vast majority of overweight people are not guilty of anything other than enjoying their food WAY too much. No excuses really and I speak as someone who by NHS criteria is obese.

    What is needed is a major shift in how Western society, USA and UK particularly, view food and exercise. It needs a major shift in what is ‘the norm’, for both food and alcohol consumption.

    ti_pin_man
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    human creatures are addicted to sugars.
    it was a survival trait.
    western society has lots of cheap food easily available.
    addicts with easy supply.

    disease? well the clasification as a disease is understandable but its a survival gene we all carry, we pass it on to our kids, I dont think its a disease but its certainly a plague in western society. πŸ˜‰

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    There’s some evidence that the way we make our food makes the problem far worse. Things like high fructose corn syrup being included in loads of foods in the US. Yes, people still over-eat, but it seems the consequences could be made worse by certain things.

    phil.w
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    As far as I’m concerned, obesity itself isn’t a disease, it’s a symptom of something else be it thyroid problems, mental health problems or just general laziness and over eating.

    This.

    As there are several things that can lead to obesity how can the symptom not the cause be the disease?

    Premier Icon flange
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    I think people also need to understand the difference between weight and fat content. At my lightest I weighed a smidgen over 13 stone and looked positively ill for it. Like I had some sort of disease. My brother who is the same height currently weighs 11 stone something and could easily be lighter if he wanted. He looks neither ill or malnourished. When I was at my lightest he was at his ‘fattest’ which was around the same weight. He looked proper fat, I looked ill.

    Body composition scales are a much better measure of your ‘weight’ than normal scales. Again, the BMI calculation is a joke. Weight/height or whatever it is is a stupid rule. So a weight lifter who has 4% body fat is obese….right….Look at where you carry extra fat rather than worrying about how many kilo’s you weigh.

    Brakes has a point – its about education. In a land where cheap, plentiful but poor quality food is easily available it’s easy to see how people become obese. I’ve been to the States once (south Carolina) and was stunned at the portion size and cheapness of eating out. People see a good meal as one where the plate is stacked high, not where the quality of food is high.

    Solo
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    Obesity is the word used to describe a result, a condition. Not the cause.

    Its in the commercial interest of some parties to have Gov or Insurance funded health authorities, class excess body fat as a clinical illness for which the use of drugs may be an appropriate response.

    I suspect that some people may suffer from a genetic predisposition to accumulate excessive B/F although the term excessive has a differing basis for qualification. However, the number of people who are at a truly genetic disadvantage, is extremely small.

    I’m sitting next to someone right now, who is 5’7″ and 20 stones. He’s had one mild heart attach already, yet still persists in eating junk food. Draw your own conclusions in that specific case.

    But, I tend to hope that if agreement on a course of action could be reached, then education would be the route to take, in order to see an end to clinical obesity and the drugs used and yet to be created to control it.
    *See what I did there*

    jfletch
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    It really galls to be lectured on being a fat weak minded slob by you lot, when I go to the canteen at work for my unsweetened coffee and there are skinny people who do less exercise than me popping muffins and crisps.

    Yep the lottery of life sucks. Its probably equally anoying how some people seem to be able to do maths without trying or others can draw a perfect circle freehand (and draw a horse, those are hard), some have perfect skin and other go bald early.

    It just means some people have to try harder in some areas and other people try hard in other areas. Some things we just have to accept and deal with or else we just become a victim of our own circumstances.

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    Solo – Member

    Obesity is the word used to describe a result, a condition. Not the cause.

    Sure. But then, so is work related stress- a condition caused by external nonmedical circumstances, but still a medical condition in its own right. Obesity’s hardly unique in this.

    phil.w
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    But then, so is work related stress- a condition caused by external nonmedical circumstances, but still a medical condition in its own right.

    Condition is not necessarily disease.

    Junkyard
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    DAMN THAT WORK I NEED A PRECISE OF MY OWN THREAD

    Goes for Dinner
    Cous cous salad, Orange and a banana [ fruit not in couscous] and a shed load of biscuits [ carb loading for night ride whilst eating usual ish dinner]

    vickypea
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    High fructose corn syrup should be made illegal, it’s the devil’s food and is becoming ubiquitous.
    Fizzy drinks, whether made with high-fructose corn syrup or artificial sweeteners should also be made illegal, they are nothing but utterly unhealthy.

    jfletch
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    Body composition scales are a much better measure of your ‘weight’ than normal scales. Again, the BMI calculation is a joke. Weight/height or whatever it is is a stupid rule. So a weight lifter who has 4% body fat is obese….right….Look at where you carry extra fat rather than worrying about how many kilo’s you weigh.

    BMI is a good measure at a population level. Sure there will be some outliers but generally if you have a high BMI you will be fat. Very few people will use solely BMI to assess an individual, as a min a GP will also measure you waist as look at other pointers.

    Did you and your brother ever have you body fat measured? It may be that you are the same and one of you is overweight/underweight but your minds have been conditioned to expect you to look a certain way. When that changes the results look strange. A bit like seeing someone who always wears glasses without them. They still look the same but the lack of glasses makes them look very unfamiliar and strange.

    Solo
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    Its just my opinion, but Obesity is the result of the body accumulating too much body fat. Obvious you may say. But its when the processes that regulate body fat are either broken down or confused, that then allows the body to accumulate way more body fat than is required or even healthy.

    Metabolic syndrome is the term I’ve encountered, which is used by some to describe the break down of normal body fat regulation.
    Which kinda makes me think that if we’re talking about a disease, then its whatever causes a person’s metabolism to go haywire.

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