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  • Is it me or are the police useless?
  • anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Could you all sense check this for me…apparently it was my fault (I am the one on the bike by the way, not the fat knacker)

    Northwind
    Full Member

    WTF? That’s ridiculous tbh. I mean, I might have stopped where the gap on teh right was, but there’s obviously no obligation to

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    I mean, I might have stopped where the gap on teh right was, but there’s obviously no obligation to

    That was my plan but when the car obviously wasn’t slowing or pulling in it seemed pointless. I’d not have been any safer stopped. The car didn’t even try to move over, he had loads of room on the other side!

    According to PC Plod of Thames Valley Police the driver was “committed to the overtake so didn’t need to stop”

    Bazz
    Full Member

    Personally I’d escalate that, they should have an internal complaints procedure you can go through, but if they are in anyway as useless as Sussex police then you may have to go beyond that, IPCC??

    the-muffin-man
    Full Member

    Storm and Tea Cup spring to mind.

    I’d have stopped as you could see car was committed and gap he could pull into was relatively small. Wet road too, easy to lock a brake on the car. And he didn’t seem to be going that fast.

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    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    I’d have stopped as you could see car was committed

    How would stopping have made me safer?
    If anything I should have stayed in a wider position.

    Wet road too, easy to lock a brake on the car

    In a 20mph road, I could just have easily slid off if I stopped

    DT78
    Free Member

    It was your right of way, but where did you expect him to go? To be honest I would have probably jumped on the pavement and just carried on round him

    Doesn’t look a particularly nice place to ride, the rougher the area the more I give way whether I’m in the right or not

    the-muffin-man
    Full Member

    I’d have hopped on pavement.

    stumpyjon
    Full Member

    You had right of way, he was a tosser (proven by the fact he stopped even though he was blatantly in the wrong). The fact he was committed to the overtake is further proof of poor driving on his part. Yes the police are effing useless.

    Murray
    Full Member

    Driver at fault. Even though he was “committed to the overtake” he could have reasonably expected to find a vehicle coming towards him so should have been able to stop in the distance he can see to be clear.

    Having said that, life’s short, the police have been cut like everyone else, I’d not take it any further.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    It was your right of way, but where did you expect him to go?

    Nowhere, but slow down and make an effort to move over not drive straight at me.

    Doesn’t look a particularly nice place to ride, the rougher the area the more I give way whether I’m in the right or not

    That’s the road I live on!!! Rough as **** me!!

    soobalias
    Free Member

    hmm i might have been a bit wider, maybe that would have made the driver slow a little to take the space on the left rather than the breathe in option he chose
    on the mtb i’d likely have hopped on the pavement

    hope you are ok.

    nuke
    Full Member

    Id have slowed so that car & bike reached gap at roughly same time. Car had nowhere to pullover until gap and was already well committed given the length of parked cars.

    Bazz
    Full Member

    There was a sodding great gap just after the white van that he could have pulled into. Whilst i can see the view point of those who would do nothing further, for me it’s the thin end of the wedge, when i ride my bike on the road I am traffic, not second class traffic, I obey all the rules (really I do!) and I expect others to do so to.

    zilog6128
    Full Member

    To be honest I would have probably jumped on the pavement and just carried on round him

    having been in this exact situation many times, and generally disliking grief, this is exactly what I do (especially given there’s loads of dropped kerbs so you don’t even have to hop up). I mean, you’re obviously in the right, but what is an argument with a meathead going to add to your day 🤷‍♂️

    thepurist
    Full Member

    It looks like they wouldn’t have seen you until they were passing the parked cars so there’s no obvious place for them to stop. You’d probably have a stronger argument if you’d stopped at the gap and let them drive into you, which they probably still would have done.

    If it’s any consolation I’ve recently submitted footage to TVP of a van failing to see me at a roundabout and side swiping me, and it’s only my reactions (and awsum skillz) that kept me upright and out of hospital. Zero response from plod.

    Caher
    Full Member

    Gosh, this is identical to what happened to me last weekend, except my perp had more room on the driver’s side. I asked him to move over, he swore at me so I turned around for a fuller explanation.
    What camera by the way.

    DT78
    Free Member

    *tries to remove foot from mouth*

    Greybeard
    Full Member

    What would the driver have done if there was a car going the other way, or a motorcycle? Surely if you’re on the wrong side of the road, overtaking, you need to be able to stop within the distance you can see to be clear. If being committed to an overtake irrespective of oncoming traffic is an acceptable precedent, there are going to be a lot of collisions!

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Id have slowed so that car & bike reached gap at roughly same time

    We did arrived at the gap at roughly the same time, he wasn’t slowing so obviously wasn’t moving over.

    What camera by the way.

    Chilli tech cheapo job…sound doesn’t work well or you could have enjoyed the swearing!

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    I’d have slowed or stopped at tbe gap.

    Car already committed to overtaking the parked traffic, probably didn’t have plenty of room to tuck in if he was not wanting to be doored by one of those parked cars (that principle applies to cars as well), and it would have been the easy and courteous option.

    Certainly wouldn’t expect the Police to take action on that.

    jamiea
    Free Member

    Give as much room to a cyclist as you would a car…

    funkmasterp
    Full Member

    Driver was in the wrong. Obstruction was on his side of the road. He could’ve slowed and pulled in before the white van. If he was looking ahead like you’re supposed to he would’ve also seen your lights and should’ve realised there was oncoming traffic.

    Top tip, if you think there’s even the slightest chance of things turning violent then get off the bike and put it between you and them or just drop it.

    CountZero
    Full Member

    Car already committed to overtaking the parked traffic, probably didn’t have plenty of room to tuck in if he was not wanting to be doored by one of those parked cars (that principle applies to cars as well), and it would have been the easy and courteous option.

    What would the driver have done if there was a car going the other way, or a motorcycle? Surely if you’re on the wrong side of the road, overtaking, you need to be able to stop within the distance you can see to be clear. If being committed to an overtake irrespective of oncoming traffic is an acceptable precedent, there are going to be a lot of collisions!

    *sigh*

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    I’d have slowed or stopped at tbe gap

    I did, he didn’t. How would stopping have made it safer for me? He would have still driven past far too close.

    Stopped or not this would still be too close would it not?

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Top tip, if you think there’s even the slightest chance of things turning violent then get off the bike and put it between you and them or just drop it.

    I wasn’t worried tbh

    funkmasterp
    Full Member

    You shouldn’t have stopped, he should. I’d escalate it tbh. The more this sort of behaviour is let off the worse it will get.

    thegeneralist
    Full Member

    I never ever expected to be in this situation, but I think you are in the wrong here OP.

    IMHO:
    As above he was committed to the manouver well before you were visible.

    There were no other places for him to pull in and give way.

    Even if he had stopped, what good would that have served?

    Yes, he passed close, but only because you went past the point where he could move back across to his side.

    I’m normally rampant pro cyclist and anti motorist in these instances, but in this case I’m really struggling….

    Edit: after watching it the 3rd time I am thinking perhaps you feel he was making it clear that he wasn’t stopping regardless, and that’s what got your goat. If that was the case then I can partly sympathise, but from just watching the vid objectively I can’t really be surprised or upset at the fuzz’reaction.

    nuke
    Full Member

    We did arrived at the gap at roughly the same time, he wasn’t slowing so obviously wasn’t moving over.

    Didnt look like you were slowing either, certainly not enough to give him a chance to pull into the gap

    You shouldn’t have stopped, he should.

    Where should he have stopped?

    thegeneralist
    Full Member

    He could’ve slowed and pulled in before the white van

    Where?

    funkmasterp
    Full Member

    You could see his headlights from a fair distance. That means he could see A_A’s too. Piss poor reading of the road. We all do it, but most of us would slow down once we realised we’d made a mistake. Failing that he should’ve slowed down and given way.

    He could’ve slowed and pulled in before the white van
    Where?

    Meant after not before. Apply brake, move over. Or stop and wave the more vulnerable road user through. That’s what I’d do.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Even if he had stopped, what good would that have served?

    If I have to tell you I doubt you would understand

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Driver 100% in the wrong. Just a cyclist hater.

    Plod not understanding cycling. Id ask for their cycling officer if they have one iirc most forces do and get him to review it

    Are you still heightened emotionally after the other days events? How much effort do you want to put in to chasing this?

    Personally I wouldn’t let it drop as it is but neither would i invest too much time and energy into it.

    ads678
    Full Member

    As above he was committed to the manouver well before you were visible

    So he would also have been committed if a car had been there rather than the OP on a bike. Then what they both just say **** it and drive into each other?

    If you are on the wrong side of the road, you don’t have right of way. End of

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Where should he have stopped?

    In the road? Had I been driving I would have stopped and let the bike past. I accept most won’t do this but at least slowing would have helped

    butcher
    Full Member

    You had right of way

    This isn’t really true. Once you commit to passing parked cars you assume right of way and it would be the responsibility of the oncoming traffic to stop.

    In this case there’s nowhere for oncoming traffic to stop either, it’s effectively a single track road, so the onus would be on both road users behave appropriately. Driver should have at least slowed.

    ads678
    Full Member

    Driver could have pulled in right there, giving way to traffic on the correct side of the road.

    chrismac
    Full Member

    I find it best to assume the police are useless until proven otherwise. They certainly have been whenever I’ve needed their help

    robertajobb
    Full Member

    Well yeah. A real story in a tea cup.
    Until its a 13 year old that was on the bike and they get killed by a driver of a 1.5 tonne missile on the wrong side of the road who couldn’t give a shit about the safety of someone else.
    Then is it still OK ?
    Still OK if it was your dead child ?

    Edukator
    Free Member

    he should’ve slowed down and given way.

    Yup

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