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  • Intelligence and personality as a hereditary characteristics
  • geetee1972
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    A little while ago there was a highly controversial debate on here around the subject of intelligence and personality and the nature of the former’s importance in determining life outcomes and the degree to which both are hereditary characteristics.

    I’ve been working my way through several years of ‘The Life Scientific’ on podcast and came across this one which is very interesting. I thought it would be a worthwhile contribution to that debate as it offers some interesting perspectives.

    [video]https://youtu.be/zb8oVOYK2kE?t=15[/video]

    Malvern Rider
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    Eugenics is a sticky issue

    jekkyl
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    avdave2
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    I’ve been working my way through several years of ‘The Life Scientific’

    Great series and along with In Our Time nothing better to make you realise how little you know.

    mjsmke
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    Im sure it was recently proven that intelligence is passed down from the x chromosomes more than y. I can’t remember where I read that but I’ll try to find out.

    Assuming we’re talking about IQ and not general knowledge. They’re 2 very different things.

    There’s lots of theories about intelligence and personality. An often overlooked part is the link between high intelligence and poor social skills. It’s not always the case but there are proven links.
    If you imagine intelligence on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is low and 10 is Einstein, many people on the top end are also on the autistic spectrum. For many this doesn’t hold them back but in sever cases people can struggle with basic communication and social skills making it difficult to make full use of their capabilities.

    geetee1972
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    Eugenics is a sticky issue

    Well for sure it is, but doing research into hereditary characteristics is genetics and categorically not eugenics. There is a reason the words are different.

    5thElefant
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    IQ is a very dodgy measure. Kalahari bushmen supposedly score in the 50s.

    If I ever get stuck in the Kalahari with Steven Hawkins and a bushman I’ll be doing what the bushman tells me.

    binners
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    aracer
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    I doubt the bushman would be much help at telling you which knife to use at a formal dinner, or even how to survive in Greenland though and the advice they’d give you about the Kalahari has very little to do with intelligence.

    geetee1972
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    IQ is a very dodgy measure. Kalahari bushmen supposedly score in the 50s.

    I’m not sure why that piece of information, be it true or not, makes IQ a dodgy measure?

    nickhit3
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    I’m not sure why that piece of information, be it true or not, makes IQ a dodgy measure?

    ask yourself? when was the last time you saw a Kalahari Bushman do a TED talk?

    exactly.

    *this is not my wheelhouse

    DezB
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    Im sure it was recently proven that intelligence is passed down from the x chromosomes more than y. I can’t remember where I read that but I’ll try to find out.

    Assuming we’re talking about IQ and not general knowledge. They’re 2 very different things.

    I would’ve thought, from a brief preview it’s about general intelligence and ability to learn. IQ and general knowledge are all wrapped up in that.
    My theory (from the university of life, as they say on match.com) is that everyone is different.

    5thElefant
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    I’m not sure why that piece of information, be it true or not, makes IQ a dodgy measure?

    It’s dodgy in that it’s a single personality metric. I know lots of very intelligent people who are almost entirely useless, and a fair few half wits who can turn their hand to anything. IQ is overrated and other personality traits are not quantified in the same way.

    yourguitarhero
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    Yeah, my intelligence is above average and I definitely have autistic tendencies.

    maccruiskeen
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    Assuming we’re talking about IQ and not general knowledge.

    General knowledge is passed down the Y Chromosome, its closely linked to the genes for ear hair, farting and an inability to know who anyone is on Strictly or Celebrity Masterchef.

    My theory (from the university of life, as they say on match.com) is that everyone is different.

    I’m not

    dissonance
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    be it true or not, makes IQ a dodgy measure?

    That intelligence often depends on the context.
    The bit which makes IQ interesting/dodgy is the Flynn effect.
    Was the average US citizen in 1900 intellectually impaired or is there a rather large environmental factor?

    maccruiskeen
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    It’s dodgy in that it’s a single personality metric. I know lots of very intelligent people who are almost entirely useless, and a fair few half wits who can turn their hand to anything

    When you say that you know them – do you mean you consider them to be intelligent (or they are broadly held to be intelligent)? Or do you mean that you know their IQ score?

    I’ve never done an IQ test, or been asked to do one or asked to do one* and I don’t think I know anyone who has or has told me their IQ or asked mine – so it doesn’t seem to be a measure that matters much in day to day life.

    I could make the the same observations about people who are highly academic being impractical or vice versa but i don’t know anything about those peoples IQ.

    * apparently eating the pencils and repeatedly throwing my own shit at my reflection in mirrors means I fail some sort of pre-qualifiction.

    wrightyson
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    I’ve come across some very intelligent people with **** all common sense or the ability to function outside of what they specialise in. Make of that what you will

    CharlieMungus
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    What is it that that you think an IQ test is a measure of?

    maccruiskeen
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    I’ve come across some very intelligent people with **** all common sense or the ability to function outside of what they specialise in

    thats the definition of ‘specialism’ isn’t it?

    RobHilton
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    No mention of the title of this thread, and whether grammar should in any way be an element of IQ testing?

    What is it that that you think an IQ test is a measure of?

    Easy! It’s a measure of one’s ability to do IQ tests.
    What do I win?

    wrightyson
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    I dunno, but genuinely just doing random things from say cooking to changing a plug. Is it that they haven’t had to do such practical things because they are special? Also general common sense in how to get round every day problems.

    binners
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    I’ve come across some very intelligent people with **** all common sense or the ability to function outside of what they specialise in.

    As my best mate (who’s a very practical paramedic) says, very accurately, about his older brother, who’s got Masters and PHD’s coming out of his arse…

    “He could calculate how many beans were in a tin, but he couldn’t tell you how to open the ****er”

    😆

    gauss1777
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    If you imagine intelligence on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is low and 10 is Einstein

    Why start at 1 and not 0? Also I reckon Einstein was somewhere in the 9’s rather than a 10.

    I’ve come across some very intelligent people with **** all common sense or the ability to function outside of what they specialise in. Make of that what you will

    I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as ‘common sense’.

    [OT but can I safely use a quotation with ****, or do I need to replace the asterisks with a swear word?]

    DezB
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    I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as ‘common sense’.

    What do you mean by “thing”?

    davidtaylforth
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    Is this a wind up?

    It certainly sounds alot like this guy…..

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIUdyBG_DT0[/video]

    sirromj
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    I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as ‘common sense’.

    [OT but can I safely use a quotation with ****, or do I need to replace the asterisks with a swear word?]

    Try changing your opinion about common sense.

    bikebouy
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    My Mother (88, bless her) started to keep her mind “fresh” by undertaking all sorts of tests via Cambridge Uni (where my sister is a Maths professor) and Mum was set all sorts of mind challenges, this was 12 years ago now.
    So there were many mind challenges from the IQ tests and various other challenges that were designed specifically for Alzheimers, and other mind degenerative complaints.
    She learned every problem faced had a sequence to it being solved, yes those problems were varied and vast. Over the years she learned to fool IQ test portfolio quite easily, she said it was one of the more simple tests to break and answer quite easily.
    Obviously no test is infallible, but the IQ test has been proven as a flawed way of measuring intelligence.

    binners
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    What do you mean by “thing”?

    gauss1777
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    I am of the opinion that there is no such thing as ‘common sense’.

    What do you mean by “thing”?

    Like a duck is a thing, but not a duck. I suppose I mean that people do not have common sense without prior experience.

    gobuchul
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    That intelligence often depends on the context.

    Easy! It’s a measure of one’s ability to do IQ tests.

    Obviously no test is infallible, but the IQ test has been proven as a flawed way of measuring intelligence.

    These are not the responses the OP is looking for.

    mikewsmith
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    gauss1777 – Member

    If you imagine intelligence on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is low and 10 is Einstein

    Why start at 1 and not 0? Also I reckon Einstein was somewhere in the 9’s rather than a 10.[/quote]
    So your disruptive then 😉

    tjagain
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    I am very good at doing IQ tests usually scoring in the 145 – 150 range. I believe my real intelligence quotient would be more 120 – 125 ish

    angeldust
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    I wasn’t aware they gave you bonus points for arguing black was white

    gauss1777
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    gauss1777 – Member
    If you imagine intelligence on a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is low and 10 is Einstein
    Why start at 1 and not 0? Also I reckon Einstein was somewhere in the 9’s rather than a 10.

    So your disruptive then
    I didn’t know that was an actual thing, but it has a ring of truth 🙂
    I seem to manage to be most disruptive, when I’m confused or trying to be helpful!

    gobuchul
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    I am very good at doing IQ tests usually scoring in the 145 – 150 range. I believe my real intelligence quotient would be more 120 – 125 ish

    So, not really a true genius, just very superior? In fact so smart, you not only score really high, you can even calculate and apply a suitable correction but ensure your IQ test is accurate?

    Thanks for letting us know. 🙄

    angeldust
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    It’s actually a pretty interesting insight into how his mind works

    igm
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    Don’t confuse knowledge and intelligence – or experience which may or may not build knowledge. Or understanding which is different again.

    In life you probably do best if you have a mix of all of these.

    And confidence.

    And good hands.

    And balance.

    Possibly speed and strength.

    And determination

    mjsmke
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    Knowledge is what you know and remember .
    Intelligence is what you can work out with the information provided.

    That’s why most IQ questions are visual with random shapes. You don’t need prior knowledge about something specific to work out the question.

    Of course both intelligence and general knowledge go hand in hand for a lot of situations.

    Think of a computer with a hard drive and processor. The hard drive is like general knowledge and the processor is like IQ. Both are needed to function but every machine has different levels.

    onehundredthidiot
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    But that’s a flawed argument even a simple processor can do an apparently complex calculation if that what it has been shown/trained/programmed to do. Same as someone who has seen played practised with the iq test type questions will score highly.
    It’s why we train our pupils to answer exam questions and the best to understand them.

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