I’m sure non fans were referred to as ‘bed wetters’ earlier. Hardly positive?

I should be clear incidentally, I’m not singling Gav out here, it’s just that his comment was unfortunately the freshest. There were a couple of others further back, I’ve had a quick skim but can’t immediately lay my hands on them and don’t care sufficiently about Internet point-scoring to search any longer.

One example does not make a “they”

Seriously? Mate, that’s even lamer than implying that you couldn’t reply earlier because of some flim-flam about ban hammers.

Seriously? Mate, that’s even lamer than implying that you couldn’t reply earlier because of some flim-flam about ban hammers.

Hardly, you implied lots of people have said it when one had as far as any of us can be bothered to look.

that’s even lamer than implying that you couldn’t reply earlier because of some flim-flam about ban hammers.

You are hot on implication, but it seems its mainly when you decide to make something up.

I’m sure non fans were referred to as ‘bed wetters’ earlier. Hardly positive?

True but its not saying the that the owners werent at fault. Its just the way some go on here its like people cant leave the house without being confronted by dogs either jumping up to lick them or bite their face off.

Hardly, you implied lots of people have said it when one had as far as any of us can be bothered to look.

I didn’t imply anything of the sort. That’s inferring you’re thinking of. Either that or you’re mixing up my posts with that of others.

You are hot on implication, but it seems its mainly when you decide to make something up.

You said no-one had blamed the victims, I gave you an example of when someone had, then instead of going “oh yeah, sorry, I was mistaken” you came out with the frankly ludicrous reply that one person doesn’t mean more than one… and now *I’m* making things up?

I give up, I’m going to go and make food. Just the one meal, so it probably doesn’t count.

You can actually use they as a singular pronoun, just thought I’d point that one out

Cougar, I’m more referring to the fact that every time someone suggests something which could well mitigate against future incidents this is somehow victim blaming. That makes as much sense as suggesting that if you teach a kid the green cross code then drivers are off the hook.

Anyway, I’m done, clearly nobody is in a mood to be reasoned with, usual self congratulatory echo chamber circlejerk may resume.

You can actually use they as a singular pronoun, just thought I’d point that one out

Thats true, dont tell Couger though!

You said no-one had blamed the victims, I gave you an example of when someone had, then instead of going “oh yeah, sorry, I was mistaken” you came out with the frankly ludicrous reply that one person doesn’t mean more than one… and now *I’m* making things up?

You need to go back and have a read, gavwhateverhisnamewas had already been discussed and you certainly suggest its been written by more than one so it shouldnt be hard to find.

I should be clear incidentally, I’m not singling Gav out here, it’s just that his comment was unfortunately the freshest. There were a couple of others further back

This certainly makes out we have seen more than one, maybe I missed a few pages or something but all the posts I have read apart from the one shown have said the owners are at fault.

The sensible debate has probably run out of puff if people are reduced to debating pronouns and singular vs plural over the more substantive issues…

You need to go back and have a read, gavwhateverhisnamewas had already been discussed

So how come I knew about it and you didn’t?

maybe I missed a few pages or something

You need to go back and have a read

I’m more referring to the fact that every time someone suggests something which could well mitigate against future incidents this is somehow victim blaming.

Can’t comment on others’ posts, but I’ve said at least twice on here now that that’s not what I think.

Incidentally, who is “Couger”?

Can’t remember the last time I was in either real or imaginary danger of being attacked by a horse.

Not attacked, but I’ve been in two situations where a nasty accident could have happened; first one I was riding along a quiet country lane, with a horse and rider in front, as I came up behind I called out “Is it alright to come past?”, as instructed to do, because a human voice is more reassuring to a horse than a bell. Trouble was, the rider was off in a little world of her own, my calling out made her jump, tugged on the reigns and the horse shied and went sideways across the road, fortunately I was still just behind.
Second was on a section of Sustrans path going out of Chippenham, and some bloke was riding a horse along it when the horse got spooked by a low-flying Chinook chopper a little way away. The horse took off like a rocket, the rider had no control, he was like a rag doll on its back, basically a passenger.
There were two girls in front on bikes, riding two-abreast, and this big horse tore past them at full gallop, missing them by barely a metre, it was sheer luck there was about a metre of grass to the side, otherwise it would have gone straight through them!
One of the scariest things I’ve ever seen while out riding.
Also, one night I was riding back home on a stretch of Sustrans path across a playing field, there’s a carved stone seat where young couples often sit and snog when it gets a bit dark, and I could see a couple of vague shapes sat there as I came up towards them, but not close enough for my light to really pick them out clearly.
All of a sudden, as I got level with the seat there was a bark and a whitish blur, and a small dog shot out towards me and went right under both wheels, making a loud yelp. I braked, but the dog had already disappeared across the field, and I wasn’t going to stay around and get into a confrontation with its owners, but the point is an animal that isn’t in full control is a danger, the dog would almost certainly have had me clean off the bike if it had been very much bigger, 6″ of suspension on the front or not, and a ton of horse will kill.
Replaying that episode with the runaway horse still shocks me, those two girls will never know just how close they came to being terribly injured or killed.
There’s some classic victim blaming here, I’m entirely with the OP, it’s not up to him to have to train his son how to deal with someone else’s animal in a public place; it’s their responsibility to keep their animal fully under control, preferably on a lead, but if not the animal should be properly trained to respond to commands to come when called.

Incidentally, who is “Couger”?

Some petty bellend.

Stay classy.

Also, multi-quotes. Always a good indicator that the thread has descended into bollocks.

I actually very rarely get bother off dogs, but I live in a tenement in a city centre so don’t hang out with suburbanites.
Once got bit by a collie off the lead on the Water of Leith so just jumped off, threw the bike at it and hoofed it in the puss with some SPDs. Owner was so far away I couldn’t make out his whiny words but at least one of them learned a lesson cos that was not a happy doggie cos it bit the non-kicking leg.

However, if this thing happened often I would suggest that other bikers/walkers/parents carry a riding crop. A swift *thwack” to the nose will likely settle any mutt down. Or uppity owner.

(I only called it out because their spelling is usually immaculate and yet they get my name wrong. If that’s intentional then I’m not the one being petty.)

do we have a winner yet?

I would suggest that other bikers/walkers/parents carry a riding crop.

Difficult to justify carrying on a bike if stopped though. Unless you were going to see your girlfriend I suppose.

“Dear OP sorry it happened. If you get your son to do x,y,z it wont happen again”

In other words if you’d have done dog training lessons already it wouldn’t have happened, ie its your fault OP.

do we have a winner yet?

I don’t think there are any winners here, dude.

I have seen as usual when we get these posts several post “victim blaming” ie saying – its your fault because you don’t know how to behave around dogs”

this is utter nonsense. its always 100% the dog owners fault for not controlling their animal – they have a legal duty to do so.

See waxing thread pls

The law is an arse. One who I will spank with my crop!

[/quote]this is utter nonsense. its always 100% the dog owners fault for not controlling their animal – they have a legal duty to do so.

How dare you sir? Riding in here after eight pages of unreasonable debate with your sensible post. This is an outrage. OUTRAGE!

I’ll see you at noon sir.

I only called it out because their spelling is usually immaculate and yet they get my name wrong.

Your name is actually Cougar?

My spelling is usually shit.

I have seen as usual when we get these posts several post “victim blaming” ie saying – its your fault because you don’t know how to behave around dogs”

Really? We’ve been shown one. I havent seen them.

Not enough dialectical thinking going on here to take anything seriously.

Be good to yourselves, and each other

Was out on an all night, social ride a few weeks ago. Riding along in a relatively spread out group. about 4AM – just getting light. A doe jumps out of the verge to the left, between me and the guy in front (3 metre gap?) and lands in the verge on the other side – didn’t touch the tarmac once.

Scary as hell when you think back on it – that’s a big beastie to get broadsided by

AA – on flicking thru the thread I saw more than one suggestion that if the child knew how to behave around dogs then it wouldn’t have been bitten. Just usual bullshine from dog owners

thegeneralist–
But in the mean time, getting your son to interact with some nice dogs would be time well spent

gavtheoldskater – Member

with respect, teach your kid to deal with dogs. if he had known how to its very likely he wouldnt have been chased, and also from the initial post you did not see what caused the dogs to run after him so who is to say your kid didnt throw a rock at the dog.

dont blame a dog for a persons inability to deal with one.

But while being in the right is not in dispute, can you honestly not reflect that things are not as they should be and therefore as a parent you have a responsibility to equip your son with the skills to deal with an imperfect world. Whether that is poorly controlled dogs

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to quote just a few posts from part of one page.

This is always the reaction from dog owners – its our ( the non dog owners) fault because we don’t know how to behave around dogs. this is victim blaming and is utterly absurd. Your dog bites or annoys anyone its your fault – and the dog can be put down for merely scaring someone. If your dog cannot be trusted to react appropriately at all times then its your responsibility to control it either by a lead or by proper training.

couple more stating its the general publics need to learn how to interact with dogs

rsmythe – Member

I’ve not read all the posts but would like to echo the ones that have suggested you familiarise your kid with some friendly dogs again, and fairly soon. A similar thing must have happened to me when I was younger because I spent a lot of my childhood scared of dogs. It’s not a good thing at all and I’m sure it could have been avoided if I’d socialised with some friendly dogs.

The main point I wish to make without provocation is that I see more & more parents & dog owners that are (over?) protective of their kids/mutts which makes them nervous of dogs which in turn leads to the dogs to be cautious of them, dogs have pretty high levels of sense & this can make them aggressive/protective.

So your child is playing on a beach and a carnivore approaches said child.

You respond by saying stand still (insert name) it won’t hurt you because someone on stw said it won’t.

F##k that, defend child and cause as much injury to the carnivore as possible.

Ps did I say that dogs are carnivores.

Thanks TJ. Just to preempt where this is going to go next though,

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/inability-to-control-dogs/page/3#post-8599613

I’m totally against victim-blaming and get where you’re coming from, people have every right to go about their business without being slobbered on or worse [by] other people’s pets, but there is an element of “we don’t live in a perfect world” here too. It’s a bit like arguing against self-defence classes because you’ve got a right to go around not being mugged.

Is it the OP’s “responsibility” to ensure that their kids are aware of how to act around dogs? Of course not. Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad idea just in case something goes wrong though.

Though,

This is always the reaction from dog owners

Rash generalisations aside it’s certainly a common reaction, and what I was trying to discuss more recently (evidently not very well).

Only one of those suggests its not the owners fault. One even said whats right isnt in dispute.
As usual something shit happens and everyone then gets hysterical and start shout about victim blaming when some people make a few suggestions on how people could mitigate the risk.

the dog can be put down for merely scaring someone.

No it can be put down if the person has “reasonable grounds” for being scared. Being stw bed wetter might not be reasonable enough.

F##k that, defend child and cause as much injury to the carnivore as possible.

Oh look the internet hardmen are back!

Your the one calling everyone a bed wetter FFS.

A a no I’m not a hard man but would you not defend your child from an animal you don’t know and could never predict how it behaves.
I’m sure someone like you would use the force or do a crocodile Dundee on the rottweilers.

Thanks for quoting me TJ, at least you have read the thread.
My point was exactly as I said, people have changed, their expectations have changed, dogs are obviously not so quick to evolve. For better or worse we live in a society that expects a basic animal such as a dog to behave the way they want it to, not in a way its nature suggests it should, dogs are dogs, even the most highly trained police dogs bite the wrong person every now & again, they are not infallible even given a fairly short brief in life.

TBF I think I bought the wrong breed based on the positive experience of the first one I bought, but then I have now realised that buying the same breed from working stock is not the same thing as buying one from show stock, you live & learn ehh, but that doesn’t mean my dog needs to be destroyed.

Cheers.

I’m being quoted by TJ in at least one of those comments.

So I’ll ask again. By the same token, do we suggest we don’t warn our kids about stranger danger, because in the ideal world it doesn’t exist? Or do we try to prevent it happening but at the same time give our kids the ability to deal with it in case it does. Why can’t we do both without instantly calling it victim blaming, which insinuates a degree of fault.

The dog owner is 100% at fault. But if I came round a corner and saw a car heading towards me on the wrong side of the road I’d take mitigating action, not stand there being happy that it wasn’t my fault.

I agree but I understand that this may not be applicable to a young child.