If Bashar turned a bit Hitler?
And leaving what behind?
Good question which is why the leadership in both the West and the East have often actively supported such mass murderers because “at least they know who they are dealing with” and “he keeps things under control”.Posted 4 years ago
The will of the people wherever it may lead is a much trickier thing to contemplate and negotiate with.mikewsmithSubscriber
Looking back over history as to how well these things seem to go…
We had some success in the former Yugoslavia, the Falklands and liberating Kuwait.
It’s not the best track record to use to promote further military action, yes something needs doing but either way it’s not going to play well with anyone, we still don’t know what is going on – not everything is black and white.Posted 4 years agosomafunkSubscriber
Being devils advocate here and trying to see who benefits from an airstrike/regime change/possible ground war in Syria leaves one neighbouring country out in front, I don’t buy it that Assad/syrian army sanctioned or used chemical weapons when the previous week Obama laid out a clear intention that if such weapons were used then the US would intervene, not to mention use them when UN inspectors were on the ground?, he may be crazy but that is hanging upside down bat-shit crazy. – Say what you like about Assad, and i’m sure he does deserve his reputation as there is no doubt he is as despicable and ruthless as he’s made out to be but i do not think he is suicidal, nor do i imagine he wishes his government to fall due to US led airstrikes which is the only possible outcome he could expect if he used such chemical weapons against his own people.
Is it really above suspicion that a neighbouring country could have committed such an atrocious act to finger the Assad regime and engender it’s removal?, if syria does fall then Iran may be next and then?…….
Someone is stirring the shit in the middle east.
IMHO of course.Posted 4 years ago
Ultimately millions of ordinary people lost their lives when a precise strike would have saved a lot of suffering.
Ummm…. Not sure if you’ve noticed but Iraq isn’t exactly a picnic since we got rid of Saddam.
At least 75 people were killed and more than 200 others wounded Wednesday in a wave of bombings and shootings across the country.
Analysts say the country appears to be sliding back toward civil war, as Sunni militants linked to al-Qaida mount increasingly deadly attacks on Shi’ite targets on a near daily basis.
The United Nations says nearly 4,000 people have died this year, most of them since April, when forces of the Shi’ite-led government cracked down on a Sunni protest encampment north of Baghdad.Posted 4 years agochrismacMember
For me there are 2 main problems with military intevention.
1. Against who? No one had produced any substative evidence as to who was responsible for the attack. THere seem to be as many sources pointing the finger at both sides.
2. How will blowing up more civilians and some parts of Syria as part of an intevention help? You can be certain that it wont really affect whoever is behind the attack. Is a court not the appropriate place to deal with people who break the law?Posted 4 years ago
redford what planet are you on?
when assad has rounded up 6 million men women and children, herded them into concentration camps executed them invaded half of europe and plunged the world into a war that killed 2.5% of its population then yeah he can go on the list with hitler, stalin and pol pot
until then hes just another nasty tin pot dictator doing his best to stay in power while saudi backed islamists try and overthrowPosted 4 years agowobbliscottMember
The right course of aciton is not always the easiest, that’s where leadership comes in. Just cause its difficult and we can’t always see the end game, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. The world is connected and to say that things that happen out of our boarders has no impact or knock-on effects to us and our way of life is wrong, things have a habbit of coming back round to bite you eventualy. I think in time getting rid of Saddam will be shown as having been the right thing to do – but you can’t re-invent a country overnight, but at least we’ve given the people of Iraq a chance to form a country of their own and some control over their destiny. The trick is to continue the help and assist for as long as is necessary, which is decades, and it is this committment that we’ve not really got our heads around and committed to, or have a model for. We take freedom and democracy for granted – but for some people who have never known it, it is a completely alien concept and doesn’t always come naturally and will take a few generations to take root.
Assad has shown that he is just as ruthless and capable of ‘evil’ as Hitler and has taken a step even Hitler didn’t dare take in using chemical weapons on his own civilians. What more do you need to justify some form of active and direct invervention? Some seem to think it isn’t enough.
If Assad does deploy chemical weapons again I hope that Milliband and all the other politicians who voted against last night watch the horrific images on screen will realise that this is the result of their course of action and publically apologise. I hope it doesn’t happen and they’re right. To not even have the threat of retaliation out there undermines our influence and is giving them the green light.Posted 4 years ago
oh come on the jews were hitlers own people! they were germans too
even the americans ‘intelligence’ indicates that assads regime didnt mean to kill those civilians- the intercepted calls are from regime officials asking an artilery unit wtf theyve been gassing people!!
dont get me wrong assads a scumbag and im sure hes more worried about american retaliation than any innocents killed
I suspect assad will continue to use whatever he has at his diposal to win the war, if the americans do bomb him and tip the scales in favour of the rebels whos to say he wont become more desperate and launch even more chemical attacks?Posted 4 years ago
Is a court not the appropriate place to deal with people who break the law?
Exactly. How about the ICC issues a warrant for Assad’s arrest, and we go get him and put him on trial? Except the Americans don’t like the ICC, and prefer summary justice.
If Assad does deploy chemical weapons again I hope that Milliband and all the other politicians who voted against last night watch the horrific images on screen will realise that this is the result of their course of action and publically apologise. I hope it doesn’t happen and they’re right. To not even have the threat of retaliation out there undermines our influence and is giving them the green light.
And would Cameron have to watch horrific images of the children who die when we start bombing and then apologise?Posted 4 years agopatriotproMember
Asad’s def got the Hitler tache going on, so maybe just maybe he may turn all Hitler.
On a serious note, there’s no doubt that using chemical weapons on your own people is wrong, but can anyone tell me why the neighbouring Arab bredren aren’t willing to intervene in the abuse of their fellow brothas and sistahs?Posted 4 years agostarfanglednutterMember
We carried on supporting Saddam when he gassed the Kurds BTW
Here’s a quote from good old Winston Churchill, from 1920, referring to the Kurds:
“I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas… I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes”
just wondering if all the anti’s would turn pro
Perhaps at least some idea of an end game plan, sadly lacking in every other military intervention of the last couple of decades. Given the pretext for this one is chemical weapons, in order to get hold of them (from either the government or the multifarious rebel groups) – we would need boots on the ground. Que long protracted operation, messy ending with no defined outcome and ample room for terrorist linked Islamic militant groups to get a boot in the door.Posted 4 years agoesselgruntfuttockMember
Are any other countries bothered/worried/arsed about what’s going on over there? I’m not that well up on the news but I don’t seem to hear much about any other countries possible involvement apart from the UK & the US. By that I mean any other country saying stuff like ‘lets send in our military’ & not ‘ooh, that’s awful, i think we’ll stop importing sand from Syria’ etc.Posted 4 years ago
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