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  • Idiot help needed please… (Small Network DNS issues)
  • Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    Hi,

    We have a small’sh network, 20 PC’s mix of XP & Win7

    Server A – 1 x Domain controller Server 2012 (192.168.1.4)
    Server B – 1 x Windows 2008 storage server (192.168.1.9)

    BT Business broadband hub, all PC’s have internet. (192.168.1.254)

    Old DC died few months back, setup the new server ‘A’ with DHCP & DNS enabled.

    Everything was fine but yesterday all shared folders on server B were not accessible. (Nothing else has changed apart from a load of MS updates on the servers)

    When I go to each PC there are red x’s on the shared/mapped drives linked to server B

    On each client if i ping server B it connects fine using its name and IP address. Each existing mapped drive was setup using the server name, if i delete the share and setup again using the 192.168.1.9 it connects fine.

    I know this is obviously a DNS issue, but dont know where to start?

    On server A which is the DC and has DNS services running the DNS server IP has been entered as the servers IP, that is 192.168.1.4

    On server B the DNS has been given the above IP, 192.168.1.4

    All clients are DHCP.

    Any ideas?

    Our BT Business broadband package does give DNS server IP’s , should these be entered into the DNS server settings on server A NOT 192.168.1.9?

    *Sorry for long post, tried to make it simple as possible

    Premier Icon samuri
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    How are DNS updates being made on that server. Via DHCP? or are they statically created?

    Premier Icon mattyd
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    What DNS server address do the clients say they are using (ie from an ipconfig command).
    Any possibility that DHCP is also running on the router?

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    Cheers,

    might not answer you but…

    excuse my ignorance, on the DC in DNS manager ‘interfaces’ tab it says “select the IP addresses that will serve DNS requests ” – All IP addresses check box is selected

    Forwarders Tab

    192.168.1.254 is entered (the BT HUB)

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    IF i IPCONFIG /ALL my PC it says

    IP – 192.168.1.14
    SUBNET – 255.255.255.0
    DHCP – 192.168.1.4
    GATEWAY – 192.168.1.254
    DNS – 192.168.1.4

    i’ll check on bt hub

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    Cheers all again…

    This is form the BT router LAN section

    Private Network
    Router/Gateway Address: 192.168.1.254
    Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
    Private Network DHCP Info:
    Range: 192.168.1.64 – 192.168.1.253

    DHCP Configuration
    DHCP Server Enabled
    Unchecking will stop the DHCP server from assigning IP addresses to LAN DHCP clients.
    DHCP Network Range

    If you change the IP address range, you must renew the DHCP lease for all devices on the network.
    192.168.1.0 / 255.255.255.0 (default)
    172.16.0.0 / 255.255.0.0
    10.0.0.0 / 255.255.0.0
    Configure manually

    Router Address:
    Subnet Mask:
    First DHCP Address:
    Last DHCP Address:
    DHCP Lease Time: hours (24 hours default)
    Select Default Address Allocation Pool for the DHCP Server
    New Device DHCP Pool:

    This selection modifies the default LAN network used by the DHCP server for address assignments to new devices. The default setting is Private Network. Change it only to Public Network when you want every new device getting a public address assigned. The recommendation is Private Network. You can change the setting for each individual device below.

    Premier Icon mattyd
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    Well, your ipconfig suggests that you’re getting DHCP from your server, but it also looks from your router config that a DHCP server is enabled on there too – that’s not good unless you have an unusual network configuration. What sits between your clients and the router? Switch/firewall anything else?
    Is the PC (your pc?) on which you ran ipconfig currently having the same problem with mapped drives? If not try ipconfig on one of the others which is.
    But, if it’s a simple network and the only thing between your clients and servers and the router is a switch, you don’t want 2 DHCP servers running (they won’t play nicely) – if the router assigns addresses it will probably give clients the wrong dns (i.e.192.168.1.254 and that won’t know your server names).

    Premier Icon samuri
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    I’d definitely turn off DHCP on the router first.

    Premier Icon mattyd
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    Looking at your router settings, is there actually a tick in a box next to where it says “DHCP Server Enabled” ? I don’t think your copy/paste has picked it up ?

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    cheers

    What sits between your clients and the router? Switch/firewall anything else?

    its very simple, nothing fancy.

    main bt internet line comes into bt hub,
    cat5 from bt hub into 3com unmanaged hub
    all clients/servers connected to 3com hub

    the only firewall is the bt hub

    all pc’s are having the same problem, it is intermittent, i just tried a share to the sales drive it worked but took ages, then tired again and it came back with the classic error.

    on server B the one were having trouble with DNS is static 192.168.1.4

    its a pain as it was all working fine and nothing has changed.

    Premier Icon wonkey_donkey
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    do you have more than 1 network card in server B?

    or has something else been set with that same IP? you sure it’s excluded from dhcp lease range?

    Premier Icon mattyd
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    Did the updates on the servers require a reboot? If so, assuming DHCP is running on the router, the DHCP serevr on the server will probably have seen a DHCP server on the network and not have been happy.

    Have a look in the event log for errors on the DNS server.

    But samuri is right, if DHCP is running on the router, deal with that first. You might need to restart the DNS server (or just the service) afterwards, but while you have 2 DHCP servers you are going to be chasing your tail to fix any other issues.

    Premier Icon wonkey_donkey
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    next time you have the issue go on one of the pc’s and from the command prompt do:

    arp -a

    you’ll see the mac address of the thing that has that IP listed under physical address – see if it’s different from the ones that work – you should be able to track it down via that.

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    hi screen shot of actual hub 🙂

    Premier Icon mattyd
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    has something else been set with that same IP? you sure it’s excluded from dhcp lease range?

    That’s a very good point, also.

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    Cheers all again.

    Server B has two GB cards, one is being used.

    After the updates i was forced to reboot BOTH server A & B

    next time you have the issue go on one of the pc’s and from the command prompt do:

    arp -a

    you’ll see the mac address of the thing that has that IP listed under physical address – see if it’s different from the ones that work – you should be able to track it down via that.

    did this and…. worryingly….

    Server A – 192.168.1.4

    &

    Server B – 192.168.1.9

    Both shows as DYNAMIC NOT STATIC??

    Think it is time to UNCHECK DHCP on the BT HUB…

    Premier Icon FuzzyWuzzy
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    Agree on sorting out the two DHCP sources first.
    If that doesn’t fix it then ping server B by name (server name only) from a client PC, if that doesn’t work then ping it fully qualified, does that work?
    Do another ipconfig/all on a client PC, what does it have in the “Primary DNS Suffix” field (near the top)? It should match the DNS suffix of server B (the bit after the server name on a fully qualified name).

    Premier Icon hot_fiat
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    nothing has changed

    ahh lol. Give me a minute I’ve spilled me tea…

    So it sounds like there’s a fundamental flaw in the network configuration.

    this:

    Forwarders Tab
    192.168.1.254 is entered (the BT HUB)

    is good

    this:

    DHCP Server Enabled

    is bad

    What’s probably happening is that your clients are spinning up and screaming over the network “gimme an ip address”, since it’s all unmanaged the first thing to respond is likely to be the bt hub (it has nothing else to do: the dc’s busy being a dc & R&RAS is a pita overhead for it).

    What Id’d probably do is get rid of DHCP from the DC, but configure the hub to hand out ipaddresses with a manually configured DNS entry, pointing at the DC. So when it hands out leases the clients will have 192.168.1.4 as their only DNS server.

    Any server should have a reservation and manually configured ip.

    When that’s done I’d visit every client and do an ipconfig/flushdns and then ipconfig/registerdns. I’d also do an arp table flush as on an unmanaged network all a client really needs to talk is the mac address of the object it wants to shout at.

    Just ooi, what’s your domain name, it’s not something that is publicly registered? We had load of trouble with “bigcorp.net” and “dozercorp.com” in a training environment as the clients would resolve server1.bigcorp.net to be some server out on the internet rather than the box sat next to them.

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    cheers again, my brain is starting to fry.. 🙂

    stupid question again…

    how come all shared folders on Server A (the DC) are fine?

    Premier Icon mattyd
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    Could be because there is an ip address conflict with server B and something else?

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    thanks for all the help, its given me light at the end of the tunnel..

    a few more…

    if i turn DHCP off on the hub OR decide to do it on the DC, I assume all client shave to restart log on etc for changes to take effect.

    the reason i ask is that im doing on these changes LIVE (everyone is in working)

    think i really should leave it as it is and stay on late and sort it.

    cheers again, much appreciated.

    Premier Icon hot_fiat
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    Anything in the event logs: either on the clients or the servers?

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    is there a command prompt thing i can use to ping and see if more than one device is using 192.168.1.9?

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    Anything in the event logs: either on the clients or the servers?

    sorry forgot to answer earlier…

    On Server A (DC) there are no obvious errors

    However on Server B it is giving event ID 2012 SRV

    the message it gives basically says there are network errors and as there are so many it is giving this warning.

    Premier Icon FuzzyWuzzy
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    Turning DHCP off on the hub would be your best bet, let the DC handle it (DNS integration then, although not a massive deal in your size environment). This shouldn’t have any immediate impact on the clients as they already have their IPs
    clients can get a new IP via ipconfig/renew at a command prompt (need admin rights though I think). I’m not sure off the top of my head though if it will look for another DHCP server if it can’t contact the one that issued it’s current IP, I suspect it will but otherwise yeah you’d need to reboot the clients.
    Could try a ping -a 192.168.1.9 to see what DNS thinks now has that IP (but this might be what you think it should be as if the router’s DHCP issued something else the same IP it wouldn’t have updated your DNS with that change).
    You could also (as an admin) map a drive to \\192.168.1.9\c$ and look at what user profiles are there, if your users don’t roam between PCs it should just be the name of person using the PC that’s been issued the IP.
    Also server B should have an event log message if a duplicate IP was detected, been a while since I saw one but I think that gives you additional info to help track down the source (might give you the MAC address)

    Premier Icon wonkey_donkey
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    you have overlapped the dhcp lease range with your statically assigned IP’s

    your range from that screenshot is from 192.168.1.0 – 254

    so you’ll be trying to give out 192.168.1.4 and 1.9 to client PC’s

    configure manually and start the leases for clients at 192.168.1.50 – 100 or something, you don’t need all 254 IP’s anyhow.

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    you have overlapped the dhcp lease range with your statically assigned IP’s

    your range from that screenshot is from 192.168.1.0 – 254

    so you’ll be trying to give out 192.168.1.4 and 1.9 to client PC’s

    configure manually and start the leases for clients at 192.168.1.50 – 100 or something, you don’t need all 254 IP’s anyhow.

    this makes sense, so……

    even though ive given both server static IP’s .9 & .4 could in theory still be given out to a ‘client’?

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    oh i just turned off DHCP in the HUB

    Premier Icon FuzzyWuzzy
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    forgot as well nbtstat -a 192.168.1.9 should give you the computer name, if it’s server B then if a duplicate IP did cause an issue its back as it should be now (but if the DC issued server B’s IP and the router issued a client the same IP and that client has since been shutdown it will use 192.168.1.9 again when it’s powered up and cause you problems again)

    Premier Icon samuri
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    even though ive given both server static IP’s .9 & .4 could in theory still be given out to a ‘client’?

    yes.

    Premier Icon mattyd
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    I’m with FuzzyWuzzy. Turn off DHCP on the HUB. Make sure your DHCP pool on the server doesn’t overlap your static addresses (servers). Should be able to do that live without issue. When the clients start up tomorrow, it should all be sorted.

    Premier Icon hot_fiat
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    Yep, sounds like duplicate leases. Do you know if BT has quietly updated your hub?

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    GROUP HUG if i could…

    cough…

    nbtstat -a 192.168.1.9

    did that and it did come back with the server name

    i just restarted my PC and it logged on ok and came back with all the correct IP settings when i did IPCONFIG /ALL

    also it connected straight away to a shared drive on Server B (hopefully it will keep this setting)

    right i need to go onto server A and change the lease (hands shaking), just to check…as suggested I should changed the current scope..

    192.168.1.1 > 192.168.1.253

    to

    192.168.1.50 > 192.168.1.150 (just to give some leeway as we have a good number of printers etc)

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    Do you know if BT has quietly updated your hub?

    just read this sorry…

    i dont know is the honest answer but i know Bt did a hug roll out to office 365 and it messed up loads of email. saying that the hub must have been updated as the content filtering option has gone.

    Premier Icon wonkey_donkey
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    yes correct monkey – always exclude part of the range that you set statically – to avoid such issues 🙂

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    damn, just checked shared drives to server B again and it red x and wont connect.

    i guess restarting both servers and hub tonight will help?

    Premier Icon hot_fiat
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    There are three rules in IT:

    1. Something has always changed
    2. If its Active Directory related, make a cup of tea and then try again
    3. If in doubt give it a bounce

    Premier Icon wonkey_donkey
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    yes or do an ipconfig /flushdns from a client and try again

    and if possible from the hub restart the dns and dhcp services – dunno if you can do that – and restart the dns server service from your DC

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    cheers ‘again’

    and if possible from the hub restart the dns and dhcp services

    sadly all you can do it manually ‘restart’ or just pull the plug.

    Premier Icon monkey_boy
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    just noticed, some XP machines dont seem to be effected?

    my PC is WIN 7 just tried the sales shared drive on Sever B it failed, went to an XP machine it was fine.

    as typing this checked again and mines connected again!

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