I find my Orange Five Boring…
For years, I’ve had 2 mtbs.
One hardtail (it’s been singlespeed and geared and 2 different frames) with an 80mm air fork and fairly light bits. I’ve used it on the rockiest & longest of natural trails, at trail centres, UK mountains, Les Arcs and anything else you can think of. It’s taken a pounding, is good fun and demonstrates that you can have fun on a cheap and cheerful machine. The current frame being Ex-Binners!
The other bike has been a chunkier hardtail / full-susser at various times. Currently in fully coil-sprung, full-suss, chunky-upright-all-day-all-mountain-heavy-enough-to-keep-you-honest-on-the-ups spec. Its been ridden on many of exactly the same trails as the hardtail. This bike is more forgiving on technical trails.
When I decide to ride I choose which bike I want to ride based upon:
where I’m going,
who I’m going with
what I feel like
which bike is working
eg. For bimbling around a flat forest I don’t see any need for a big, full susser, no point having to wait for hours at the bottom of every descent or being very slow on every up.
Choose your battle and choose your weapon.Posted 5 years agoEggboxMember
I went from rigid MTBs to HTs, to 5″ FS, to 100mm FS, back to HTs and then to CX over the course of 20 years. Now I own a HT and a CX
So I’ve really gone full circle 🙂
The places I ride didn’t change, but my bikes did. My purchases were not driven by the trails, but by fashion IMHO.Posted 5 years agomojo5proMember
I have just the one bike (a Five with coil front and rear) and so I use it for everything. It also has supertackies on so not the lightest build but it suits the type of riding I do round Halifax. If I do longer type rides, yes it will be compromised, but I just put up with the fact that it will be a little harder on the climbs than a lighter build. I’ve built it for the type of riding I do/enjoy the most. 😀Posted 5 years ago
Cheers for the opinions, its been an interesting read as always!
I think I’m going to get on with enjoying my hardtail down here in the south and just think of my five as a bike for things when I go away.
Although, saying that I have been looking at Giant Trances, they sound good…Posted 5 years agoInternational RichardMember
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International Richard think you have hit it on the head, what did you get when you sold your five?
Sold the bike 2nd hand to a friend for £1850 after 6 or so months, twas an Orange 5am. I’ve been on 2 decent cycling holidays, done quite a bit of gnarly stuff too but i’m talking over 10 years.
My bread and butter is a sterile trail centre! Why? cos i’ve got work, kids and wife with all the joys that come with running them to football practice, homework, overtime and of course some gentle love making. I probably go where my orange 5am would be appropriate about once, twice per year… sad but truePosted 5 years agodirtyboySubscriber
Ride bigger stuff I did an uplift day @ cwmcarn downhill and five coped fairly well, never really missed a beat after 11runs, I was trying to keep up with my mate who races dh on his new foes. Not a chuffin hope really but did overtake some geezer on a trek session. Mwahhh hhhah hhaaaaa.Posted 5 years agomuddyfunsterMember
A 120mm carbon full sus will allow you to really attack technical xc, whilst still be light enough for xc. Especially if you go for carbon, better power trnsfer, stiffer, lighter. Oh yeah. Much faster and more fun than a hardtail on proper trails.
But….to the guys saying a five is dull anywhere but the alps or fort Bill, seriously, drive somewhere. And ride faster. Much much faster.Posted 5 years agoGiantJauntMember
fast, simple and fun on the downs, but get loose and it gives you a good kicking without throwing you off.
perfect for me. best bike i’ve owned for exactly the reason you mention. got bored on FS.
That’s good to hear. I might be getting one as I’m bored with my FS bike.Posted 5 years agoHerman ShakeMember
I ride an 08 Trance x2 with a Pike and really like it…but got the feeling my technique was getting mushy so built up a Dialled PA rigid 69er and also really like that. I committed to the PA exclusively for a while and was noticeably sharper when I came back to the Trance.
I fear a Trance may bore you too, they work very well! Try putting a rigid fork in your Virsa (26″ or 29″) it’s odd, but not bad.Posted 5 years agorupertpostlethwaiteMember
If you rode at places like coed-y-brenin then you wouldn’t last two minutes on a hardtail! I’ve started riding the black routes and tbh I don’t think you’d get around it on a hardtail without pushing sections. My five is a fabulous bike which gives me the confidence to ride such aggressive terrain. 8)Posted 5 years agoZoolanderMember
I miss my inbred for its constant I’m going to die any minute feeling – the five Is far better but a different ride, I can push the boundaries much further now. I’m less mince and more mincecorre on the five. That said I’m off to Wales in a mo and fully expect to eat my words and feel the I’m going to die any minute feeling :/Posted 5 years agoontorMember
If you rode at places like coed-y-brenin then you wouldn’t last two minutes on a hardtail! I’ve started riding the black routes and tbh I don’t think you’d get around it on a hardtail without pushing sections. My five is a fabulous bike which gives me the confidence to ride such aggressive terrain.
I’ve ridden those on everything from a unicycle, through a rigid singlespeed to a big-hit & they’re all fun, all rideable, just different.Posted 5 years agoworsMember
If you rode at places like coed-y-brenin then you wouldn’t last two minutes on a hardtail! I’ve started riding the black routes and tbh I don’t think you’d get around it on a hardtail without pushing sections. My five is a fabulous bike which gives me the confidence to ride such aggressive terrain
I do hope that was supposed to be tongue in cheek.Posted 5 years agoGiantJauntMember
Although, saying that I have been looking at Giant Trances, they sound good…
They are good and very efficient so if you find your 5 boring I’d imagine you would find the Trance boringer? Personally I’d just go for a hardtail rather than a shorter travel FS bike. I think if you’re going to have full suspension you may as well have loads of it or none at all but that’s just me.Posted 5 years agocrashtestmonkeyMember
if you rode at places like coed-y-brenin then you wouldn’t last two minutes on a hardtail! I’ve started riding the black routes and tbh I don’t think you’d get around it on a hardtail without pushing sections. My five is a fabulous bike which gives me the confidence to ride such aggressive terrain
STW Troll Of The Week.Posted 5 years agoNonsenseMember
Transition bandit, Whyte T120, Yeti ASR5, Trek EX8, Santa Cruz Nickel. Loads of full suss bikes that have less travel, more pop and still strong enough to handle Alpine/Scottish/Lakes/Dutch cycle paths. Unless you are doing 10ft drops and huge doubles it’s still just trail riding surely?Posted 5 years agotransappMember
It sounds like there’s no need to get the ‘hardcore’ short travel, as you’re not hitting stuff hard enough to warrent it (please don’t take this wrongly, even orange reckon that most people on a 5 should be on an ST4)Posted 5 years ago
A friend and myself often ride together around the southwest. He’s got a 5, I’ve got an Anthem x1. We swap bikes every so often, and find that the 5 really does need something pretty hairy to become fun (and by hairy I mean something far more difficult than I’ve found at a trail centre), however, when you’re pushing, it really is a huge amount of fun. The Anthem is better for all day riding generally, as in it’ll climb better, be less effort to ride along the flat and be almost as much fun on the decents, but you’ve got to get the line right as it’ll bite when you try to plough through/over everything in your way.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that the 100mm xc machine is better for the style of riding I do, and the 5 would be better for the mental, alpine descents I’m not really good enough to do justice to, but that doesn’t stop it from being one hell of a bike, oh, and really quite sellable second hand!bumpsSubscriber
Old thread I know but recently been round this conundrum with my garage of bikes (2007 Spesh Stumpy FSR 07, 2000 ‘Dale F1000SL and 2011 Boardman HT). Spesh not enough fun for me and too many pivots needing maintenance, Dale F1000SL was too XC for me and the Boardman was OK (apart from having a BB30). Wanted something a bit more fun though but didn’t really get the use out of FS like the OP. Always had a weak spot for a good HT.
So I took the parts off the Boardman and put them on a Santa Cruz Chameleon.
My skills are less than my ability to pick up speed so a 26 HT is excellent for me (riding in the South): fewer crashes… Despite not being a 29er or carbon or FS (or all of the above) like most bikes I see on rides, I always have – shock horror – loads of fun on it. Just needs a type 2 rear mech now and potentially lighter wheels.Posted 4 years agoedoverheelsMember
Another one for the Blood.Posted 4 years ago
Decided that now that mine is a bit battered I would get it resprayed and all the bearings done and refurbish it generally – much cheaper than a new bike for my birthday. I bought it originally because I love hardtails but they do end up being a bit limiting in some circumstances. Also have a Soul, a rigid and a downhill bike for uplifts and keeping up with the kids but most of my time is on the Soul or the Blood depending on where and with whom I am riding.fervouredimageMember
I’m in a similar boat at the minute. I have a 6 month old Nukeproof scalp with the unbelievable cane creek DB shock bolted on it but in the 6 months I’ve owned it I’ve used it twice and now I don’t race anymore there is zero point in me owning it so as painful as it will be to see it go, go it must. Plan is to try and swap it for a beefy burly short travel slope style type bike. After riding the YT play last week I realised that for proper fun on the UK’s fairly tame downhills this is the sort of bike that wins.Posted 4 years ago
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