when the stw regulars stop abusing folk with ginger hair, local dialect english and the obesity disease i will stop the phrase.

"my name charlie wong, wanna buy dvd"

going through my head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbwNSNLPIfw

Stoner – Member

TJ – so you take offence at uplink's witty, but culturally dependant quip?

Que?

TJ – just out of interest – what do you find acceptable? Anything at all?

At the risk of offending you, have a read of this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/sep/17/comment.charliebrooker

Like I said above it's a public forum, not someone's living room, I don't really think it's acceptable as you don't know whether the person coming out with the banter is racist or not.

raises an interesting question on defintion – is racism in the eye of the beholder or the speaker?* It reworks the same discussion about taking offence (not just in a racist context): is offence given or taken and if the latter is it the fault of the giver if offence was not intentionally given? (if you get my point)

* apologies for the car crash of metaphors 🙂

TJ – its a simple question, does uplinks quip about the DVD's being "rubbery" upset you or not, given that it is banter that is based in race differences?

some of you lot need help, some need to chill, some need a slap…..
and uplink………..it was bruddy rubbery….. 😉

This is without prejudice but sometimes I see news/factual programmes where welsh or Scottish speakers arent subtitled yet a Caribbean etc will be.

Why? Invariably I can understand the Caribbean chap as its a lilt(!) whereas on some Welsh/Scottish speaker you miss the odd word and have to catch up.

This is without prejudice and comes under PC-broadcasting I guess.

This thread is hotting up now it's all about givers and takers

This thread is hotting up now it's all about givers and takers

Its almost as hot as binners hotpants

Binners – I find racism unacceptable and say so. Both the overt and the insidious type ( which is the one folk find hard to see)

I do love theis – lots of ranting about my attitude when I have not commented on the OP.

You guys are so funny – reinventing me as an imaginary Millie Tant. – the thing of all your fears. Please try to remember that PC is a linguistic philosophy about using non pejorative terms. Its is not a catch all phrase for anything the daily Mail invents to hate.

When I see racism I challenge it. Have I done so on this thread? No. Will I engage in debate about what I challenge? Yes.

i still wanna know what the problem with bestiality is

i mean as long as you use protection its fine

anyone else see the channel4 documentary animal passions a while back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xkFJG_-Zz0&feature=related

hate offended people. They come in two flavours – huffy and whiny – and it's hard to know which is worst. The huffy ones are self-important, narcissistic authoritarians in love with the sound of their own booming disapproval, while the whiny, sparrowlike ones are so annoying and sickly and ill-equipped for life on Earth you just want to smack them round the head until they stop crying and grow up. Combined, they're the very worst people on the planet – 20 times worse than child molesters, and I say that not because it's true (it isn't), but because it'll upset them unnecessarily, and these readers deserve to be upset unnecessarily, morning, noon and night, every sodding day, for the rest of their wheedling lives.

Bang on charlie … 🙂

Stoner – Member

TJ – its a simple question, does uplinks quip about the DVD's being "rubbery" upset you or not, given that it is banter that is based in race differences?

Ah. It does not bother me – perhaps because I have no idea what the joke is supposed to be.

Racist jokes/banter in private is a different matter, perhaps that's where you're getting confused.

I'm not confused, really. I'm actually a lot more concerned with what groups of people talk about and do in the privacy of their own homes, be they BNP monkeys in Dagenham or Islamists in Luton. I'd much rather people said what they think out here in (semi) public rather than sit brooding in their bedsits.

I cant actually think of an instance of actual racism anywhere on STW (I'm sure there have been some), let alone on this thread. Honestly in my experience I think we're doing just fine, lets all stop looking for hate where there is none.

This is getting funnier by the minute. "TJ handwringing" as a tag? Where? Not on this thread. I have passed no comment on the OP

Do you guys like imaginary monsters? Reds under the bed?

"are you now, or have you ever been a ………….. Hobbit?"

TJ do you read the Socialist Worker?

Ah. It does not bother me – perhaps because I have no idea what the joke is supposed to be.

TJ – it was the sort of Chinese accent Benny Hill used for his Mr Chow Mein character – you sirry irriot 😉

Stoner – Member

Like I said above it's a public forum, not someone's living room, I don't really think it's acceptable as you don't know whether the person coming out with the banter is racist or not.

raises an interesting question on defintion – is racism in the eye of the beholder or the speaker?* It reworks the same discussion about taking offence (not just in a racist context): is offence given or taken and if the latter is it the fault of the giver if offence was not intentionally given? (if you get my point)

Interesting indeed. For me something on here can be racist independently of intent. It's not about offence and that ios different because it is entirely subjective, however racism is pretty clear to spot, for some of us at least.

Oh and uplink's joke is about how Chinese folk speak english, it's perhaps borderline racist as it's not directly derogatory. I wouldn't tell it for that reason as well the fact that it's not that funny.

cynic-al – Member
The Welsh thing is a bit different. They are clearly inferior.

Ho ho, I have to laugh in case your joke is seen as causing me pain. Secretly I'm planning to stick the prize winning leek at the Llanidloise show, up your a..e till you can sing counter tenor.

Hora – nope. I have no time at all for the drivel of the "hard left" with their useless posturings and splinter groups.

TJ does anti-white racism exist too?

If yes, do you you believe it is widespread?

For me something on here can be racist independently of intent. It's not about offence and that ios different because it is entirely subjective, however racism is pretty clear to spot, for some of us at least.

…..and there you have it folks. It doesnt matter what you meant to do or say, we your bien pensant masters know what you are really thinking and we are on to you! Open room 101!

I presume you mean the Charlie Brooker quote to apply to the what you perceive as the 'PC brigade'.

But I think the real offence here is being taken by what I'll call the 'Clarkson brigade', imagining that their only-very-mildly offensive witterings are upsetting readers of the Guardian – who are then going to try to get Gordon Brown to pass a law against them, or put a speed camera down their road.

When in reality nobody gives much of a toss, but will get involved simply because they are being expected to.

The OP was a bit of a troll, let's be honest.

When in reality nobody gives much of a toss, but will get involved simply because they are being expected to.

Welcome to STW!
😀

moi………….. 😉

just a bit…..

What chapaking said – Daily Fail readers seem to want to get upset more that the likes of me (Independent FWIW)

mcboo – Member

For me something on here can be racist independently of intent. It's not about offence and that ios different because it is entirely subjective, however racism is pretty clear to spot, for some of us at least.

…..and there you have it folks. It doesnt matter what you meant to do or say, we your bien pensant masters know what you are really thinking and we are on to you! Open room 101!

Apologies but I'm not sure I understand your point, if you have one. You are telling me if someone makes a racist statement then they can dissociate themselves from it?

enfht – Member

TJ does anti-white racism exist too?

It exists as does black on brown racism

If yes, do you you believe it is widespread?

I guess racist individuals appear with a broadly similar frequency but as white folk are the majority and hold most of the power white on non white racism is most obvious and damaging?

I dislike prejudice and bias of all kinds. ( apart from Toffs – they are fair game)

Ton – how come you do the trolling, I say nothing contentious but I get the pelters?

teej……….cos i am nice and friendly and helpfull…………
you are otherwise……….. 😉

When in reality nobody gives much of a toss, but will get involved simply because they are being expected to.

Welcome to STW!

would be rude not to! 🙂

Apologies but I'm not sure I understand your point, if you have one. You are telling me if someone makes a racist statement then they can dissociate themselves from it?

My point (I have one thanks) is that we're going to be in a sorry mess if people can't pass comment on the way of the world, pull a leg or let off some steam without being put in a box by the self appointed pc police.

And dont get me wrong, I like pc, who the hell wants to go back to a Britain of casual racism, homophobia, whatever. PC=good manners, thats what I teach my 1/8 Dutch, 1/8 Caribbean, 1/4 Indian, 1/2 Scottish kids.

Aww crap you didn't take the bait 😉

My asian friends are really fed up with whiteys asking for pron all the time! 😀

Daily Fail readers seem to want to get upset more that the likes of me (Independent FWIW)

So whiny as opposed to huffy then?

ton – you do come up with some ****.

cynic-al's racist accusations of me are inaccurate and just plain wrong.

JxL – Member
ton – you do come up with some ****.

jxl, always good natured shyte tho mate.
nothing nasty, malicious, hurtfull or degrading.
just good natured fun.
and everyone off here who has met me and ridden with me will, i am sure confirm my good character……… 8)

Actually ton, we all just say that cos we're scared of you 😀

Top fishing, Ton old son. 🙂

Bit of an easy target though…