houses without planning permission

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  • houses without planning permission
  • one of the reasons i like coming on here is the diversity of opinion. my friends think like me, thats why they are my friends.

    so what are your opinions of a house like this?

    http://naturalhomes.org/save-charlies-house.htm

    they have lost their appeal so it looks like they are going back to a static caravan on the same site

    its a tricky one for me because i would hate planning to be a free for all, but at the same time, i have a real soft-spot for dwellings like this, and its almost impossible to get planning for them.

    footflaps
    Member

    It’s a bit sad, but without enforcing planning rules you could have had the same site turned into a Tesco super store……

    yep that’s the tricky bit for me too footflaps.

    mikewsmith
    Member

    Charlie felt he had no choice but to build his house without the approval of the planning authorities, convinced permission for his home would be refused.

    This is the problem really, he presumed, could have gone for permission and come up with compromises. At this stage does it meet any building regs etc.

    but without enforcing planning rules you could have had the same site turned into a Tesco super store……

    yeah but they wont give you planning for houses built like this. no stress loading specs for wood in the round etc. issues for resale value are often quoted as reasons for this but not everyone wants to be on a property ladder, some just want a home.

    i thought it was interesting that Ben Law who built something similar (grander) on grand designs was allowed planning but wasnt allowed to sell.

    fasthaggis
    Member

    It is sad.

    On my commute I cycle past 3 of the most mind numbingly bland new builds I have seen in a long time,but they tick all the planning boxes.

    Hmmm should have applied. Rubbish page with zip info about the actual build or reasons for demolition. Also “death” nope it’s not alive.

    That’s a great house …..but like he said he didn’t even bother with trying to get planning …I wonder if it has any sort of building regs for it either ……….although I expect they would be slightly different regarding that type of dwelling……

    i know what you mean fasthaggis, and what really gets me with those ‘barrett’ style estates is that the buildings are built to last only 25yrs ie. the length of a mortgage.

    Having been through the planning process a number of times now (both as the applicant and someone who is against plans), I have absolutely zero sympathy. Yes its a nice house, eco friendly blah blah blah but he had no permission to build it.

    On the other hand, its a shame the council have decided it should be pulled down with it being such a nice place whereas the a-holes living behind our old house who got planning permission despite every house surrounding theirs objecting to it, then built something even more obstructive to the plans and then applying for retrospective permission (and getting it) really shows the complete farce and non-standardisation that is the planning process in this country. All it needs is a builder who knows how to play the system and you’re laughing…

    RichPenny
    Member

    I like it, and hope it can be saved.

    ive not been involved with the build but i would doubt it would conform to regs straight off due to the timber being used ‘in the round’ since there are no regs to cover the strength of round timber. the u-values of straw bale means the insulation would’ve been exceeded though. and in the video he talks about the costs of plumbing/electrics being a large proportion of the build cost so he has used proper tradesmen there.

    the other thing is, (i do restoration work) the 400yr old building i would be working on today if it wasn’t raining, didn’t have regs and that was fine until cement was added to it 😉

    got to agree with daveyboywonder on the lack of standardisation with planning. from some of the things ive seen passed, anyone would think there was bribery going on

    hora
    Member

    So would you object to others doing the same? Where would you draw the line when a precedent has been set?

    How many individual ‘developments’?

    Twee and nice as it is (it is) and its a lovely place. You can see why he might have to (sadly) pull it down.

    Premier Icon cb
    Subscriber

    I agree with above – planning in this country has no consistency applied to it. Without more detail about the surrounding area it is hard to judge what impact the OP’s example has but we have bitter experience of crooked developers. We bought a flat in a converted mill having seen the plans for the development – all character materials, facilities, bridge over the canal, footpath into the village blah blah.

    Developer ignored everything, built as cheaply as he could and failed to finish all the facilities. He’d already sold the flats by then so couldn’t give a toss. As the building was listed, the council then took the position that to change all the faults would be the responsibility of the council and residents! That’s one thing but then he applies for more consents in the same village and gets them! System is run by amateurs.

    footflaps
    Member

    They have to pull it down as you can’t set the precedent that you can just build and then worry about permission as otherwise you’ll get Tesco building super stores on all the SSSI in the UK and then applying for permission later….

    allthegear
    Member

    I thought Tesco were well known for build-first-ask-permission-later as they can influence decisions afterwards by showing how many people they have employed?

    Rachel

    yeah i can see why it will have to come down. i do think it would be nice if low impact, self build houses could be given a different category of planning application though.
    maybe one where they aren’t allowed to be sold to protect the councils building control? and to prevent developers from using it as a loophole?

    how much is a planning application for a house these days? £5k? thats a third of the build cost

    tesco and the others simular corporate giants ARE well known for building without planning. and for avoiding regs
    edit; allegedly 😆

    iolo
    Member

    I saw this. It’s basically
    “I couldn’t be bothered to apply as I believe I’m better than you.I managed to get away with with while the one who applied didn’t – suckers.I have no why they want to pull it down? If I cry and make enough noise maybe I can get away with with thus making a mockery of all past,present and future planning applications ”

    iolo, point appreciated, however (just out of interest) if the house was presented to you at planning application stage, would you pass such a building (on aesthetics and setting. i don’t expect you to know about regs and i don’t know enough about the build to comment on them myself)

    mikewsmith
    Member

    iolo wrote:

    I saw this. It’s basically
    “I couldn’t be bothered to apply as I believe I’m better than you.I managed to get away with with while the one who applied didn’t – suckers.I have no why they want to pull it down? If I cry and make enough noise maybe I can get away with with thus making a mockery of all past,present and future planning applications “

    you forgot about waving a baby at the camera

    MSP
    Member

    It’s a lot easier to get planning permission for commercial buildings than for homes, the “tesco” argument is very weak.

    It is about time planning permission took far greater account of individual needs for homes, instead of looking at everything as a commercial process.

    mikewsmith – Member
    iolo » I saw this. It’s basically
    “I couldn’t be bothered to apply as I believe I’m better than you.I managed to get away with with while the one who applied didn’t – suckers.I have no why they want to pull it down? If I cry and make enough noise maybe I can get away with with thus making a mockery of all past,present and future planning applications “

    you forgot about waving a baby at the camera

    well next time it could be a childs face !

    ebygomm
    Member

    how much is a planning application for a house these days? £5k? thats a third of the build cost[/QUOTE]

    £385 per dwelling

    msp. yes that is what i would like to see (if i understand you correctly) a different process for self build homes than commercial housing estates etc

    the tesco by me poured tarmac over contaminated land that it was a stipulation of the planning they had to clean up. it is a weak argument but it should be noted that those who can afford high end solicitors often flout the rules

    ebygomm – Member
    how much is a planning application for a house these days? £5k? thats a third of the build cost
    £385 per dwelling

    wow thats less than i thought, even with draughtsman costs etc that still not much is it

    McHamish
    Member

    If you don’t bother to apply for planning permission or it is refused, you run the risk of having to have your house demolished if you build it anyway.

    Tough shit.

    iolo – Member
    Sometimes it goes wrong for Tesco too

    😯 oof
    although that does seem to be dodgy civil engineering rather than planning avoidance

    loddrik
    Member

    No sympathies whatsoever, the planning rules apply to all, why should anyone be exempt because they built a ‘nice house’…

    (Said the Planning Officer…)

    iolo
    Member

    There was talk of Gerrads Cross and a certain minister possibly helping a little bit too much :mrgreen:. I could never believe an elected minister would act in such a way. This was all alleged and of course no action was taken.

    footflaps
    Member

    £385 per dwelling

    Thought it was less than that, think my workshop was about £140.

    yunki
    Member

    I think as humans we should very nearly be sensible enough to be a bit more flexible in our approach to law and order and regulations..

    If someone decent with a genuine concern and love for humanity makes something or does something that doesn’t necessarily meet a strict criteria then take each case on it’s merits..
    similarly maybe it’s about time that various regulation was relaxed and became more adaptable to encourage more people to make an effort at stuff without having to adhere to some bollocks guidelines drawn up with little more in mind than protecting investors..

    basically what I’m saying is that I think we’re mature enough as a species to recognise a **** when we see one and tell him/her to piss off..
    we don’t need an abominably anal and pedantic conflagration of toxic bullshit in our way at every turn..

    ebygomm
    Member

    Thought it was less than that, think my workshop was about £140.

    Workshop != Dwelling

    (no matter how over engineered it is 😉 )

    sharkbait
    Member

    He built a house without permission – what did he expect to happen. Nice house in a hobbit kind of way but a bit of a muppet to think it would be OK.

    yunki
    Member

    isn’t there some loophole, whereby if no-one dobbed him in for a certain period (seven years? ) then the dwelling can stay..?

    iolo
    Member

    It just looks like a load of kindling. There’s no allowance for a fire exit. He has a lovely family. Why put them at risk?

    Premier Icon annebr
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    Fine him a shed load of money but leave the house.

    Personally I think a caravan does more “harm to the character and appearance of the countryside” than that house.

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