They missed two opportunities on this one:
– either license the XD driver
– integrate the freehub in the alu sprockets, it’s not like it will ever fit any other brand’s hub
Nice machining. Recently went 1×11 XT on my Spitfire build, and opted for DT Swiss hubs over Hope so that’s me out. Shame, as I wouldn’t mind being a guinea pig for everyone else.
How have Shimano managed to make their latest cassettes so heavy. It really is quite an achievement. New XT is a good chunk heavier than Sram’s 4th tier offering?
Is it an open (or licenceable?) standard? I’d presumeSRAM are happy for manufacturers to make wheels for their cassettes (SRAM hubs being rare) but more protective of being the only game in town for 10t cassettes.
Four aluminium sprockets? I’m out
I guess it’s a question of fitness, at 18-19 I was wearing out the <22t sprockets first and 11t looked like something from spirograph, the bigger ones looked untouched. Now as a chubby almost-30 it’s the big gears that go and the 11t looks untouched. I suspect if I went back to my teenage years I could happily have run 4x aluminium sprockets, I doubt I could have afforded it though!
Is it an open (or licenceable?) standard? I’d presumeSRAM are happy for manufacturers to make wheels for their cassettes (SRAM hubs being rare) but more protective of being the only game in town for 10t cassettes.
They already make an XD freehub for their hubs don’t they? Presumably there is some reason why they preferred to go with a unique freehub for this cassette though.
Steel. Alu cogs just don’t last. They’re ok fr the lowest, sit-and-spin-gear with lots of teeth, but lower down the block, when they have to deal with a bit of power, they just fall to bits.
The more I look at this, the more I think just how far ahead of the game SRAM were.
They showed off XX1 in May 2012. Three and a half years later, E13 have only just figured out how to make a 9-42 cassette that’s 320g, even though the top four cogs are aluminium – that’s 60g heavier that SRAM’s all-steel 10-42 and it’s €319 on the site I’m looking at, versus €229 for the SRAM one.
Meanwhile Shimano are doing the XTR with just the 11-40 range, but still heavier than either of the above.
honourablegeorge – Member
Speeder – Member
What would you like them made of?
Steel. Alu cogs just don’t last. They’re ok fr the lowest, sit-and-spin-gear with lots of teeth, but lower down the block, when they have
Are 28, 32, 38, 44 not sit and spin with lots of teeth..
Hopefully hope will sell the 4 alloy cogs as spares so you can replace them rather than the whole cassette..
honourablegeorge – Member
The more I look at this, the more I think just how far ahead of the game SRAM were.
They showed off XX1 in May 2012. Three and a half years later, E13 have only just figured out how to make a 9-42 cassette that’s 320g, even though the top four cogs are aluminium – that’s 60g heavier that SRAM’s all-steel 10-42 and it’s €319 on the site I’m looking at, versus €229 for the SRAM one.
Meanwhile Shimano are doing the XTR with just the 11-40 range, but still heavier than either of the above.
The sram xx1 has an alloy 42t cog.. which is replaceable..
Seems they’ve made the spacing at the high end very close to they can advertise the 20% figure. I think something more evenly spread would have been much more useful, maybe 10, 12, 14, 17, 21, 24, 27, 31, 35, 39, 44 would be more useful for a lot of enduro mincers.
I doubt I’ll be buying one anyway, given that you can get a sunrace or praxxis cassette for under £80. This Hope thing is bound to be at least double that.
On a serious note though I’m struggling to work out what problem this Hope thing solves.
Well its better than Shimano since it ditches the old fashioned freehub design and has a 10T sprocket which gives a huge increase in range for only 1 less tooth. It also has a an extra 2 teeth on the top sprocket so altogether this probably has the biggest range of any cassette out there. For those still sitting on the fence it might prove to be a genuine like for like replacement for a double ring setup with no loss of range (depending on your ratios).
So compared to the cranks which offer absolutely nothing yet are still selling I think its a winner.
£225 for cassette plus freehub, but that may be easier to swallow if they decide to offer just the Alu sprockets as a spare part.
Interesting to see that they are getting into carbon “woven in the North in old cotton mills” too. Could make for some interesting new objects of desire for my dandy horse.