For all those that inquire on this forum about buying hifi I thought I would point out Pioneer’s new speaker, which seems to be plenty cheap but of very high performance – certainly everyone seems to be raving about them.
Only problems is that I can’t see them on sale in the UK yet:Posted 5 years ago
I’d say those speakers were best described as “Audio”, not “HiFi”.
here’s a review from TAS on their hifi credentials:
Here’s a comment from an LS3/5a user (which is only a grade 2 monitor, before anyone starts…):
I own a pair of Pioneer SP-BS22 LR Loudspeakers as well as a pair of Rogers LS3/5a’s. The Pioneers are not quite as magical in the midrange but they do throw a mighty large soundstage. The balance is excellent and they seem to go lower than the Rogers. I use the Rogers in a two-channel stereo system and I use the Pioneers as left and right channels in a 5.1 theater system. I can definitely recommend the Pioneers as one of the true bargains in sound.
I was targeting this post at the forum users that end up looking at £300ish Denon systems, etc – i.e .mid-fi…Posted 5 years agoretro83Member
I would have thought that a 4 inch woofer would need a pretty large Xmax to achieve good bass at normal volumes. Pretty impressive if they manage it for that price.
I had some cheap Pioneer speakers before (albeit with a 6 inch woofer) and they sounded good for the money.Posted 5 years ago
Hmmn, sounds interesting.
Used to have a pair of LS3/5a’s years ago.
Naural and smooth with jazz & classical but lacking in welly for more dramatic stuff.
Sound much bigger then they are.
I do hope they turn out to be a real bargain, like Nad 3020’s, Pioneer A400’s & Creeks were.
Will have a listen when they’re out.Posted 5 years agoHadgeMember
Having owned 2 pairs of Kans, both Mk1’s and LS3/5A’s it all depends on the music you listen to on which suit you. The Rogers are stunning on classical but lack warmth or punch whereas the Kans basically shout at you, are bright and lack true bass but grab you by the knackers and involve you like very few others can. BUT and it’s a big but, after prolonged listening they become very tiring and they need a very good amp and source to get the best out of them.Posted 5 years ago
Pioneer made some very nice separates many years ago and their budget turntable wasn’t bad at all. Their cassette decks were and still are amongst the best made ever.CountZeroMember
grantway – Member
Japanese never make any good speakers being it costs to much in transportation
That’s bollocks, frankly. Sony, Yamaha and Trio/Kenwood made excellent speakers, but only once they adapted their designs for western listeners and music. Traditionally, Japanese music tended to be higher pitched, with less emphasis on bass, so once the designers got to grips with UK tastes their speakers improved dramatically, as did their amps, particularly Rotel. Yamaha were/are a musical instrument maker, so they should have a clue, and speakers were often built or assembled in Europe or the UK anyway.Posted 5 years agoretro83Member
allthegear – Member
retro83 – I think my Linn Kans have only a 4″ woofer in them. They seem to create a pretty good level of bass when correctly sited.
That might be true, but it’s more expensive making a speaker like that (long excursion) which is why I would be impressed if the Pioneer cheapies can pull it off. More likely that the bookshelf speakers have quite a high roll-off, and the sub is supposed to fill in the gap.Posted 5 years ago
Well, if you measure SPL, it’s Hi Fi. 😀
If you measure volume, its audio.
Seriously, this place.
Everyone’s snobby about something.
Used to be very into Hi Fi, but became dissolutioned.Posted 5 years ago
Lots of similarities to religion. The flat earth Linn/Naim evangelicals were bad enough, but when Peter Belt arrived and was taken seriously I sought deprogramming.allthegearMember
Hadge – yes, Linn Kans do benefit from an amp capable of running at low impedances. Luckily, I have a Linn LK280 to drive them – it’s more than capable of the job, having originally been built to drive Linn Isobariks…
oh – and I was wrong; it’s a 5 inch driver.. 🙂
RachelPosted 5 years ago
volume: 1-10 (or 11)
I tested/dissembled some 753s when I worked in hifi, I thought they were crap sound and quality, though they looked good. Conversely I had some 760is which were good.
retro83 – Member
That might be true, but it’s more expensive making a speaker like that (long excursion) which is why I would be impressed if the Pioneer cheapies can pull it off. More likely that the bookshelf speakers have quite a high roll-off, and the sub is supposed to fill in the gap.
Depends – Kanns and LS3/5as are infinite baffle designs which make the driver move more than bass reflex.
Rusty Shackleford – Member
cynic-al – Member
Relatively small driver = a girlyman’s loudspeaker which fundamentally can’t do good bass, due to physics ‘n’ sh1t.
Utter BS, but reasonable troll.Posted 5 years ago
Could mean a number of things!
“Good bass” generally means measured extension (eg the low cutt off point at -3dB) so both, kind of.
At low volumes/spls you hear bass less (hence loudness switches) so as I think Rusty is trying to imply, there’s an argument that a small driver can’t make low bass at high enough volume for you to hear it. It’s all subjective of course.Posted 5 years ago
Of course, one of the most famous guitar amps of all time was actually a bass amp.
Small drivers can produce excellent, well defined bass.
Rather have a good small speaker rather than a terrible floorstander.
Quality beats quantity – nice, but rare to have both thoughPosted 5 years ago
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