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Help me decide on tyres….please!
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silasgreenbackFull Member
time to replace some worn out tyres and a battered rear rim. I’ve gone for probably slightly too wide rims 37mm id but too good a deal to miss with current finances and repair bills.
jumping up to a 2.6 from 2.4 and trying to keep weights sensible ish.
Riding – is it ever anything but wet n muddy these days?
Do i stick with my normal conti Argotal Trail or get seduced by slightly lighter Maxxis combo?
i want grip and surefootedness especially on slimy rocks n roots and toying with either an Assegai or a Minion DHF on the front with a DHR on the back. EXO+ MaxxTerra.
All seemingly similar compounds and weights but havent used Maxxis in nearly 15yrs. Have been a long time Conti user and last set of Der Kaiser / Der Baron and latterly Argotals across the fleet have all been spot on for fit n forget all year round.
what say ye wise folk? Worth a switch to the Maxxis? Or stick with what i know?
relapsed_mandalorianFull MemberI’ve recent gone from a Maxxis combo (Assegai/Shorty – front, DHR 2 – rear) to Conti Kryptotals, with an Argotal for the front in the slop. I loved them.
I’d go back to Maxxis without hesitation. The lack of super soft in the Conti enduro casing might be the reason that happens, but we’ll see how the tyres perform over the next few months and the summer Morzine trip.
joebristolFull MemberI’m liking my Kryptotal front / rear combo as an allrounder. Got the enduro/soft front and trail/enduro rear. They aren’t particularly light though. For the summer I’ve got a Xynotal enduro / soft that’ll go on the back (if it ever dries up).
Shame there isn’t a trail / soft Kryptotal front as I’d run that.
Maxxis are ok – although I’ve found fitting them with an insert in often makes the bead warp very easily on the lighter ones. Had it happen with a Dissector / Rekon / Forekaster.
bigfootFree Memberdidn’t even bother using the DHF/DHR’s that came on my new bike, got a argotal/kryptotal fitted before i picked it up. as it’s an ebike went DH casing SS on the front and DH soft rear.
normal bike has a pair of kryptotal enduro softs on.
it’s a running joke about maxxis and punctures on our thursday night ambleside rides and just about everyone is on conti’s now. far fewer punctures. the conti’s also wear much better.
fossyFull MemberI fine Minions (DHR II DHF) perfectly good all round tyre. Bit draggy compared to older Nobby Nics, but far more grip.
phil5556Full MemberI like the Kryptotals, I do worry about how tight they are on my rims though, it would be a struggle if I ever needed to get a tube in them trailside.
bikesandbootsFull Membergrip and surefootedness especially on slimy rocks n roots
Contiss in Trail/Endurance won’t be the best for this.
last set of Der Kaiser / Der Baron and latterly Argotals across the fleet have all been spot on
The compound of the former two is most like the new Soft.
joebristolFull MemberWhat rims have you got? I haven’t found any issues with either the trail or enduro casing kyptotals or the enduro casing Xynotal – all on Dt Swiss XM481 rims.
NorthwindFull MemberTBF for me this is mostly about the argotal being completely ****ing awesome. I’m using the enduro/soft rather than the trail on the front and I think that’s worth the tradeoff, but it’s the first true “all year round” tyre I’ve ever had, it can do winter #enduro slop and bone dry trailcentres, it makes no sense how quickly it rolls considering what it is. In fairness this horrible winter has flattered it, but it just makes an awful lot of tyres pointless. Really looking forward to them getting out more carcass/rubber combos.
Assegai kind of does the same job but nothing like as well, I know people rate it but for me it’s just not good enough in the wet to be a wet tyre, and really not that brilliant of an allrounder, and cloggy to boot unless you’re going really fast. No thank you DHF, for me it just became completely pointless the day the dhr2 came out, but then the DHR2 is a really good option, especially as the stickier versions don’t have much drawback- I bloody love the maxxgrip exo, it’s the perfect “lightweight carcass/downhill grip”, really not much draggier than the maxxterra but so much gripper, on wet green rock and stuff like that it’s like cheating. But still, it doesn’t cut it when things get really soft.
phil5556Full MemberWhat rims have you got?
I’ve got them on Nukeproof Horizon 29 & EX511 27.5 tbh I can’t remember if one rim is worse than the other or not, but I do remember a bit of a fight getting a couple of them on. Enduro Soft Kryptotals.
2orena45Full MemberShame there isn’t a trail / soft Kryptotal front as I’d run that.
Looks like they may finally be imminent…
https://mbaction.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Tirade-XX-Outdoor-2.24-2.webp
joebristolFull MemberAssegai kind of does the same job but nothing like as well, I know people rate it but for me it’s just not good enough in the wet to be a wet tyre, and really not that brilliant of an allrounder, and cloggy to boot unless you’re going really fast.
I feel like the Assegai is more like a Kryptotal front than an Argotal – only it clogs easier than the Kryptotal. Got an Assegai just sitting on the shelf at home as it seems pointless in comparison to the Kryptotal.
silasgreenbackFull MemberArgotals i think. But something in me recoils at the paying the same for the bike as it cost to shod my misses Hyundai runaround with tyres!
jamesftsFree MemberBeen riding the various combinations of the new Contis since they came out.
Currently on Kryptotal F (in enduro/soft) front and rear and find this the best combination for current levels of UK slop. Super predictable, roll really well for the grip and are a sensible weight. They are however silly expensive and the sidewalls are imo way too fragile. I’m usually pretty kind to tyres but have ripped big gashes in 2 Kryptotal Rs (running 25+psi), don’t really want to have to go to the dh casings but that’s £140 worth of tyres in the bin.
Argotal is a great tyre when things are really soft and filthy, it’s more versatile than say a Shorty but still wouldn’t run it year round – useless on fast, hard packed trials once (if!) things dry out.
joebristolFull Member@jamesfts – where are you riding that you’re ripping enduro casing sidewalls?
I did slash an enduro Xynotal in Dyfi Forest – but think that was a freak accident where I landed off a rocky jump thing on Tony the Tiger and compressed the rear tyre against a sharp rock. North Wales does have a lot of sharp looking flinty stuff – I think if I lived there I’d run stronger tyre casings.
Normally around Bristol / Mendips / South Wales I have very little tyre trouble.
jamesftsFree MemberI’ve done both locally, nothing particularly extreme. Tbf I’ve also raced enduro, dh and done a bunch of uplifts without issue so possibly just very unlucky. Doesn’t mean it’s not annoying though. I know a couple of people who have done similar too.
In the previous few years of using Michelin Wild Enduros (both normal and Racing Line casings) I’d not had as much as a puncture, never mind ripping holes in them!
chiefgrooveguruFull Member“ I’ve done both locally, nothing particularly extreme.”
It does really help to know where someone’s “local” is – the dirt, rock and weather vary so much across the UK, and will suit very different tyres at the exact same time of year.
bikesandbootsFull MemberThe Enduro sidewalls might be a bit less robust than the trail ones due to higher tpi? 110 per ply rather than 60. All other brands are around the 60 mark, Conti is an outlier here.
https://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/mtb/kryptotal/9-technology/282-trail-casing
2ply (120tpi sidewall, 3ply (180tpi) under the tread
https://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/mtb/kryptotal/9-technology/281-enduro-casing2ply (220tpi sidewall, 3ply (330tpi) under the tread
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