- Groups riding CRANHAM WOODS
THURSDAY 8TH MARCH, 19:30
THE ROYAL WILLIAM, CRANHAM, GL6 6TT
Cheltenham & County CC and Bigfoot MBC would like to invite riders to a meeting discussing the future of mountain bike riding within the woodland in the Cranham area.
Since signs were erected in late 2011 by Natural England specifically instructing riders to cease using the long established network of tracks in the woods, CC-CC and Bigfoot MBC have been working together with the aim of reversing this “ban”.
We have proactively engaged with Natural England in an attempt to find an amicable and workable solution for all interested parties and we would like to consult directly with riders to discuss the way forward from now on. We thank all riders who have supported our call for the area not to be ridden in (unless using any public rights of way) and we hope this effort you have put in will help our cause.
Natural England have invited CC-CC and Bigfoot MBC to a meeting on March 5th where they will announce their proposals on future mountain bike use of the area. We are unable to give riders any indication of what these proposals might be but we understand that riders will want to know the situation going forward into the Spring of this year.
We will announce at the meeting what Natural England’s proposals are and then discuss how we are to conduct ourselves as users of this area in the future. You will then have the opportunity to have your say.
If you require further information, please contact:Posted 6 years ago
Representatives from CC-CC and Bigfoot are meeting NE on the afternoon of Monday 5 March. This is when we’ll hear what they’re offering, and we’ll either reach a reasonable agreement (number and type of trails), or we’ll part company.
The meeting on Thursday 8 March at 7.30pm at the Royal William is for us to let you all know how the meeting went, and to discuss with the wider rider community what we do next.
Hope that’s OK.
Thanks.Posted 6 years ago
Slight hijack… 😉
Locals may find this interesting and I hope some of you can come alongPosted 6 years ago
Bushwacked – Sorry chap im off to newton abbott for family baby time on the 4th…oh how priorites change! ill check with dan, he may be up again
While out riding my bike today, I met Mrs Tyson. Which was nice.
a, hope that was your road bike!Posted 6 years ago
b, how nice really was it…did she know it was you that she’s fighting against?!
Can’t remember if I’ve mentioned this before but in the last few weeks a very important group of individuals have been lending their support to our campaign, and I have to put my hands up and admit I never really considered them….LOCAL RESIDENTS.Posted 6 years ago
To be honest I didn’t really think that many would be cyclists or support what we do but they are there for sure. They are well aware of where we have come from on this issue and have been busy contacting Natural England opposing the recent restrictions. The issues of digging and jump constructions is obviously opposed and we as a campaign we support this approach anyway.
We are indeed garteful at this time for their very valuable support. So this is not a case of “not in my back yard” but rather of “hey, actually, I’d like to ride in my back yard thank you very much!!!”
OK, after what now seems an age we are going to find out what Natural England are going to allow us to ride in Cranham and under what conditions. We meet on Monday afternoon. It has been quite sometime since our last meting in November 2011, but this was out of our hands. We also understand that Natural England will have had to consult various other parties in this process and still carry out their other day to day duties in the county.
All riders can be assured that we will come to agreement with Natural England only if we believe it is a solution that we believe riders will accept and we feel they will adhere to. If we agree to only a very few tracks being made available for us to use then realistically we could not expect riders not to “stray” onto the other ones. We have been very encouraged by the level of local interest in this issue and the support for riding to be allowed. The last thing local residents need is conflict in the woodland they live near to and enjoy as much as we do.
We will be in a position to announce the outcome of our negotiations at the Royal William in Cranham on the evening of Thursday 8th (starts at 19:30). If you cannot attend then of course we will send out emails giving details and update the forum thread on Singletrack. Whatever the outcome, good or bad I believe we have engaged with all the right parties and in only a positive manner. Natural England should be looking at more important issues as far as I am concerned, not restricting what is generally a very responsible group of users enjoying the woods along with those on foot and on horse.
Cheers, Roger.Posted 6 years ago
I can confirm that we did have our meeting with Robert Wolstenholme (NE) and Bill Ayers (Land Agent).Posted 6 years ago
Bill was in effect representing the majority landowner of Buckholt Wood, a Mrs H. I. Birchall. At no stage was the land belonging to Mr and Mrs Tyson mentioned although having spoken to her only a week ago it was suggested that discussions with her had been taking place. Strange.
I can confirm an offer was made for us to continue cycling in the area(and a formal “Access Licence” agreement was placed in front of us to sign).
We had several questions about their proposal and said that we would respond to them after presenting this at our rider consultation meeting this Thursday 8th.
In those early years of Scouting permission had been given by Major Sir John Birchall, who was County Commisisioner and the owner of the Buckholt Wood which overlooks the pottery, for Scouts to camp there. This opportunity was undertaken by many boys and their leaders until, in 1945, Mr Edwards gave not only the old pottery to Gloucestershire Scouts but also other land in the village including a field above the pottery, Daniel’s Grove, and two pieces of land on Cranham Common. Access was also given to a lake for swimming.
DONT KNOW WHAT RELEVANCE THIS HAS – BUT I WAS BORED!Posted 6 years ago
That all sounds positive then, that they at least see us still riding there, concerning about the tyson’s not being mentioned though…i hope that getting something in place for the rest wont hamper getting the shrine, ie people riding it whilst negotiations with tysons are ongoing and they get annoyed
will just wait and see – good work though rog, see you thursPosted 6 years agomrmoMember
My feeling, and having spoken to a few others i am not alone on this, is whatever the outcome of these discussions the routes that exist will get ridden. Harsh though it may seem but the Tysons will have to accept that the shrine is going to be used and they will have precious little control over that.Posted 6 years agopeanutzMember
Totally not happy about being confined to just one piece of singletrack and some cruddy shared-use bridleway – that will just get trashed by too much ‘mixed use’ traffic. The nature (gradient, width, surface, etc.) of the proposed trail won’t keep the “sport riders” or the “family riders” happy. It is a farce.Posted 6 years ago
Credit to Roger and Mike for their hard work, but this local Natural England guy+Landowners+Cranham reps, don’t seem to have a clue about xc singletrack riding.
I’ll see you guys on the trails, before they all grow over and are lost.IHNMember
local Natural England guy+Landowners+Cranham reps, don’t seem to have a clue about xc singletrack riding
Why would they or should they? And I thought that the chap from Cranham seemed eminently sensible, he seemed to want to, in the nicest possible way, bang the heads of the two sides together and get then to agree something.
Whoever the fella was (stood by the wall at the front) that explained the position of NE and the landowner made it pretty plain – historic use or not and barring in-depth legal arguments, we have no real right to be there. NE have a job to do to protect sensitive areas, if they see us as a threat to those area they are doing their statutory duty to prevent access. What we have to do is persuade them that we are not a threat, and the best way to do that is by calm negotiation and not by throwing any toys out of any prams.
And yes, credit to Roger et all for all their work.Posted 6 years ago
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