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  • Gordon Brown. Thick or a liar.
  • Jenga
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    The man who singlehandedly allowed the ruin of the western banking system. The man who catastrophically sold our gold reserves at rock bottom. The man who taxed pensioner's savings through the roof. The man whjo lies repeatedly about reducing the vast numbers of non productive hangers on in the NHS, local and national government. The man who is almost universally loathed in his own party, and by nearly all of his MPs, except they are too scared to admit it. The man who has his control freak fingers in so many pies that he makes Blair look like a lily livered liberal. The man sending countless numbers of our troops to die in an unwinnable foriegn war on the pretext that he can stop suicide bombers coming to this country from Yemen by blasting Afghanistan. The man who is not allowed by his own party machine to appear to regularly before the media because they will tear him to shreds.

    And we are expected to vote for him? What will we get? Taxed till we squeak, and so many "anti-terrorist" controls on our daily life that going through asn airport at present will seem like happy memories.

    Remember – if you've done nothing wrong you've no need to fear the state machine. Ha Ha Ha.

    Edukator
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    Something perceptive on STW, *pinches self*, whatever next?

    Jamie
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    This could run and run*

    *I hope it doesn't.

    thatscold
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    Anyone who has voted Labour should feel ashamed of themselves.

    Premier Icon BigDummy
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    The man who singlehandedly allowed the ruin of the western banking system.

    This incisive, balanced and well-referenced post would obviously destroy Brown's political reputation if we could just get past the problem of the first line being unbelievably stupid. πŸ™‚

    Premier Icon crazy-legs
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    the problem of the first line being unbelievably stupid.

    That problem doesn't stop the vast majority of posters on here! πŸ˜‰

    MTT
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    Anyone who has voted Labour should feel ashamed of themselves.

    ? 😐

    TandemJeremy
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    Love it – Brown is responsible for the 80s big bang in banking ands the sub prime mortgage collapse in the USA

    As for the question – he is simply thick I think.

    Premier Icon scaredypants
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    anyone who has voted should feel ashamed of themselves

    Hear **** hear

    swift & bloody revolution, that's what we need
    (or a hung parliament maybe)

    noteeth
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    the vast numbers of non productive hangers on in the NHS

    Why does this kind of shite get rolled out repeatedly? At the busy General Hospital where I work, there simply ain't a legion of diversity outreach workers, standing around, doing nuffink. True, there are a fair number of idiots in management, several non-jobbers employed in woefully misbegotten initatives ("The Productive Ward", anybody?) and a distinct lack of ward clerks & experienced clinical staff on the frontline (the nurse:patient ratio on general wards remains dangerously low)… but it's worth noting that bureaucratic cost has increased in tandem with successive Governmental attempts at introducing crappy "internal market" reforms. What the NHS needs is better, localised management – not knee-jerk decimation. Only an idiot would argue that conditions at the Kent n' Snuffit would be improved by a reduction in staffing.

    The NHS was an underfunded, but good value service, especially if you were in a bad way (& requiring Emergency/Theatre/ITU care). That is what we are in danger of losing.

    NHS national IT programme, anyone? Over budget and late at Β£12.7bn and used by only 160 health organisations out of 9,000

    Yep, that's Β£12.7 BILLION.

    project
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    Jenga, please dont stop taking the tablets your DR prescribed as when you fail to take them you actually turn into a real Daily Mail reader.

    Premier Icon ctznsmith
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    And the alternative is what? …better?

    TandemJeremy
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    Thats the tragedy here ctznsmith. The labour government have totally run out of energy and ideas and look a spent force – the alternative is a tory party with a weak liar of a leader who is beholden to the neocon right and with a total numpty lined up as chancellor.

    Between a rock and a hard place?

    Tim
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    thatscold – Member

    Anyone who has voted Labour should feel ashamed of themselves.

    Why?

    Whats wrong with having socialist ideals – being FOR the common man?

    I'll agree that the current incumbents arent a proper labour government…but the idea of having another pure conservative government in charge scares me

    Premier Icon mtbfix
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    How about we all vote for the Greens and try to save the planet for the future. Other parties than Labour and Conservative do exist, you know.

    Jamie
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    Between a rock and a hard place?

    Well I, as usual, will be pissing in the wind and voting for the Liberals. Vince Cable…now there is someone who knows his stuff.

    Tim – Member

    thatscold – Member

    Anyone who has voted Labour should feel ashamed of themselves.

    Why?

    Whats wrong with having socialist ideals – being FOR the common man?

    Well, for a start, Labour don't have socialist ideals and they are not for the common man. But apart from that….

    As to the OP;
    Brown thick? No. Not at all. Some mental illness issues perhaps, but not thick.
    Liar? Oh yes.

    noteeth
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    CFH: as with PFI, no medic or nurse asked for the shitty white elephant that is NHS IT. That was Bliar's all-consuming vision, heavily greased by NuLab's corporate love affair and to the delight of all their wretched management consultancy pals. Of course, people mean many things when they argue about the "NHS" – to me, it means people like my dad, shortly to retire after a liftime working in public health – first as an Army Doc, and subsequently as a Consultant Paediatrician. A **** difficult and demanding job. I'd say the public have gotten good value out of him, especially given the rhetoric about paying "the brightest and best" that passes for justification among bankers of his [equivalent] experience and seniority. But I would say that, eh? πŸ˜€

    Of course, there's an argument here about healthcare as a political football…

    project
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    Cameroooooon,im just waiting for the Scooby Doo reveal, when in typical Scooby style they catch the criminal /villain, and unmask him, underneath the mask will be Blair, and then when he is unmasked again there will be thatcher.

    Just wait and see, all thick and pointless people.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Premier Icon aracer
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    Do we have to pick one or the other?

    mushrooms
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    Yes Labour are awful but you would need to be a complete and utter retard to want the conservatives back in.
    What party should I vote for??

    Tim
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    CaptainFlashheart – Member

    Tim – Member

    thatscold – Member

    Anyone who has voted Labour should feel ashamed of themselves.

    Why?

    Whats wrong with having socialist ideals – being FOR the common man?

    Well, for a start, Labour don't have socialist ideals and they are not for the common man. But apart from that….

    I said pretty much that! Cherry picking quotes like the telegraph πŸ™‚

    noteeth
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    What party should I vote for??

    My distaste for politicos is pretty much at an all-time Cromwellian high. I put my faith in "localisation", whatever that is.

    Premier Icon boxelder
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    Something perceptive on STW, *pinches self*, whatever next?

    I thought just the same reading Captainflasheart's post.

    Out of interest jenga, what line of work are you in? Private industry by any chance? What do you do for the community you live in? Labour are failing to cope with some pretty horrendous conditions which are (certainly not entirely) of their own making.
    You seem to be garnering opinion so here's one: too many people in this country think they can elect a group of politicians and then just leave them to run the country, allowing 'us' to just get on with enjoying our earnings. When it goes wrong it's 'their' fault, so get 'em out and get the next lot in.
    How many of those who advocate not voting would be willing to stand up and take a lead role in what followed??
    Assuming you've never spoken to Gordon Brown, everything you know about him has come through the press – "thick or liars" or caniving, soiled headline makers.

    The man who taxed pensioner's savings through the roof

    Are they taxed more than anyone else's savings? To be blunt, do they need savings more or less than younger folk, starting out? The govt will get a big chunk when OAP's die anyway. They still have their savings and some extra earnings on those savings don't they? Don't get me wrong I think a great deal more needs to be done for OAPs which is why I'll pay extra tax if that's where it goes – those in real need don't have savings.

    Typical of press/Conservatives to highlight the hardships of OAPs – everyone's on their side. Or is it the younger relatives who stand to inherit the savings who aren't so happy?

    Ashamed…… No, and I won't be ashamed to vote Labour next time either.

    timc
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    Jenga… Im embarrised for you

    grumm
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    The man who singlehandedly allowed the ruin of the western banking system.

    Should have stopped right there and had a word with yourself really.

    Premier Icon drain
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    "In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve" (de Tocqueville).

    Guess we should inform ourselves better, so that we make better choices in voting, and be demanding more of our 'leaders' who all seem to want to appeal to the lowest common denominator (with notable exceptions such as Vince Cable) so that get to keep their own jobs.

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