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  • Premier Icon charliemort
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    expect to get some abuse, but anyway

    I’m not a tyre changer, and am a bit out of touch, but need a new set of black things for all round use. Resonably light, but reasonably burly

    Currently use Nobby Nic 2.25’s, not the snake skin ones (have a gash in side wall of one), so would consider another set of these in snake skin version (maybe 2.4’s) but they are blardy expensive, and with the demise of £ buying from Germany not so attractive

    Thought of Kenda Nevegal 2.35? Anything else?

    cheers (on way behind sofa…………..)

    stumpy01
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    I have always found Panaracer Fire XCs to be pretty good allrounders.

    MrNutt
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    two words: High Rollers

    Premier Icon theotherjonv
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    Loving my Bonty Jones ACX’S

    poppa
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    You can’t really go wrong with the Kenda Nevegals. They doesn’t excel in any one category, e.g. rolling resistance, grip, weight or durability, but are ‘good’ in all of them and not too expensive. No weaknesses, and you will struggle to find a tyre that is better in any way without sacrificing something else. I like the DTC, but you may wish to consider a stick-E up front if you ride rocks a lot. They do err slightly on the grippier side though, I have been running them through winter but if we get a dry summer I might chuck a faster rolling tyre on the rear.

    A lot of people talk about Continental Mountain Kings. I’ve not tried them but they are a bit more controversial. If you do go for them get the ProTection or Supersonic ones, as these have a better rubber compound (Black Chili) that is apparently better on rocks.

    My tuppence worth.

    Premier Icon charliemort
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    Mr Nutt – which High Rollers? – there seem to be 1000’s of the things!! look a bit heavy??

    poppa
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    P.S I do hear a lot of good things about High-Rollers, but I have never tried them. I would imagine they are definitely worth considering too. I didn’t like the look of the tread from a purely aesthetic point of view. Yes, I am that shallow.

    spesh captains seem to do the job on my xc bikes.

    Like you, I’m not a changer – just want a good all-rounder that will last a while.

    Currently I’m liking my Panaracer Cinders. I’ve been running my 2.25s for a couple of years now, and the rear is only just looking a bit worn. I find them particularly good for the sludge of the hampshire bridleways – they’re very well-behaved when it all gets a bit gloopy!

    Fagus
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    Advantages work for me on northern rocks, routes and roots.

    rj
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    The single ply 60A High Rollers aren’t too heavy and work fine for me in most conditions.

    AndyA
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    Another vote for Maxxis Advantage. Seem to be a pretty good all rounder so far. Good grip and traction in most conditions, clear mud quickly, large volume at a decent weight.

    Premier Icon orena45
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    Another vote for Maxxis Advantages. Very good all-rounder just be aware of the sizing, 2.25s are huge so go for a 2.1″

    maxxis highroller, not quite as gripy as i expected but by no means a letdown, 8/10 grip 8/10 rolling resisitance

    continental (all) you expect them to be sliding all over so its not a surprise when you find everythign sidewats

    spesh enduro 2.2, very fast rolling, but drifty in the corners due tot he lack of big side nobbles.

    maxxis swampthings 2.1, usualy my mud tire, but left them on for cannock chase and they loved it, didnt lose grip once and not to draggy when pumped up to 30/35psi.

    pk-ripper
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    maxxis advantage here too – very good tyres – but I’d want a LUST one (they don’t make them sadly) if I was riding rocks as the sidewalls are pretty thin, and they’re an absolute bugger to seat tubeless.

    Grip wise though, best tyre I’ve used for woodland, hardpack, some slop.

    james
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    “which High Rollers? – there seem to be 1000’s of the things!! look a bit heavy?? “
    “The single ply 60A High Rollers aren’t too heavy and work fine for me in most conditions”

    Not a Dual Ply, probably not even a single ply
    The kevlar folding 2.35″ 60As are up as 695g on maxxis’ website. Just Riding Along have them listed as 646g. The 2.35″ isn’t particularly big though. Not much more volumous than a Kenda Nevagal 2.1″, and only a bit bigger than the High Roller XC 2.1″. The tread is masses more chunky than either though (but with rolling ramps all over)

    Advantage 2.25″s are massive, about the size of 2.5″ High Rollers in volume, and don’t ride too well at 40psi. They (the 60A one I’ved used) need dropping to 35psi(-30) (on the front at least) to get it to roll properly on corners. Then they’re fine. Not so good in mud though as they seem to struggle to cut through anything
    I’ve not used the 2.1″ 70As though

    james
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    “but I’d want a LUST one (they don’t make them sadly)”
    They do according to their website?

    ” Kenda Nevegals” no problems?

    I can’t agree. I’ve been running them for 6 months and they have two problems:

    1. They are very grippy which makes then ideal for slippy winter trails but a bit of a drag on dry trails. I have alternative wheels with Panaracers for that.

    2. They have thin carcass that punctures easily. I solved this by ghetto tubeless.

    So while I like them, I can’t recommend them as good “general use” tyres as such. I give that award to Maxxis Advantage 2.1, of which I have a slightly used pair that will go on when the Nevegals have worn out.

    Premier Icon jimmy
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    Not a huge fan of Kenda Blue Groove / Nevegal myself. Don’t cut it on natural trails once they’re beyond damp (just read buzz’s comment – would disagree!). I like High rollers, they’ve done a good job through the seasons. I currently have a Minnion DH 2.3 on the front (its not a massively wide 2.3 so good for all round trail use) and a TrailRaker on the back for winter. I’m not a changer normally but the trailraker is excellent in most winter conditions. Once the worst of winter is over, my next tyre is going to be a Panaracer rampage on the back, but I can’t see anything but a Minnion adorning my front wheels for a long time.

    pk-ripper
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    they make them in LUST? Awesome – never seen them stocked anywhere tho. 😥

    zokes
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    Kenda Nevega / blue groove seem to have been the best all-round tyre I’ve used to date. Bonty Jones ACX (or whatever they were called) were great, until I split one in an inch-long gash from the rim up to the middle of the tyre after clouting a water bar. I’ve hit that water bar many times, and whilst occasionally snakebites happen, i’d never torn a tyre on it until then. I was quite shocked as to how far it tore, and even tubed I couldn’t pump it up – had to get a mate to pick me up as I was 20 miles from home 🙁

    fingerbike
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    Like running a 2.35 High Roller UST on the front, brilliant tyre. Always had issues with which is the best to run on the rear though, have another high roller 2.35 on the rear at the mo but its overkill for the riding i’m doing now, thinking of giving the Ignitor 2.1 a go next…

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    bony mud-x make surprisingly good all year round/all conditions tyres (well they did last summer anyway) if you’re not looking for a huge volume tyre.

    Premier Icon Coyote
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    WTB Motoraptors are / were a good all round tyre. Not sure if you can still get them…

    hora
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    Swampthings here as well – 60a compound though for good rolling. Fantastic tyre. I actually prefer these to High Rollers. Make me feel more confident and Ive grabbed the front brake a few times and they’ve still forgiven me.

    Amazed not to see a single mention of Ignitors yet. So here is one.

    Nice rounded profile so none of the grip, lean, slide, lean a bit more, grip, phew… feelings I sometimes get from the High Rollers on my ‘big bike’. Ultimately not as grippy, but really progessive when they start to let go and they are very fast rolling. Certainly the weapon of choice at my local riding spot.

    Premier Icon lunge
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    I’ no expert but if you want something cheap have a look at Conti Verticals. Pretty good grid and the 2.3 is fast for a tyre of that size.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    ah, I’ve missed the ‘what tyre for’ threads with the chorus of ‘Conti Vert Pros’ that followed.

    Minions, vely reliable low slung bottom, stick to the trail like glue, well almost.

    Premier Icon charliemort
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    how about schwalbe fat albert ? anyone used these?

    GaryLake
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    Nevegal/Blue Groove combo or High Rollers are pretty much permanently on my bikes…

    I’ve been experimenting with a Small block 8 and a blue groove up front – very fun – even in the current conditions 😀

    nicko74
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    I used to think Panaracer Fire XCs were the way forward, but they started ripping valves off my inner tubes under braking. So I switched to Bonty Jones ACX and found that actually the Fire XCs were just mediocre in every terrain (hence all-round!).
    The Jones’s are great on the whole, quite fast, quite hard wearing and quite grippy. But I did find last weekend that in mud they do get bogged down pretty quickly – not clagging up, just not getting me anywhere at any speed. I’m wondering now about a move to Bonty Mud X’s.

    GaryLake
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    I’m a bit wary of proper mud tyres – I ran some trail rakers on my singlespeed and while they were very good in the deep mud, it makes you realise than even when it’s god awful out, there’s not as much mud as you think there is. And of course, proper mud tyres are a real pain to haul around on in anything other than proper mud. I hear the mud x can be left on all year so maybe they’re different.

    I’ll admit the nevegal can really clog in the Bristol clay (when’s it’s not rained for a while but not dried out either is the worst Bristol conditions) but so does everything else when it gets that bad…

    orange
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    my alberts have proven to be good value and tougher than the NN’s

    lardman
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    single ply 60A High Rollers… or – Minions.
    Grip, and volume enough for the roughest trails.

    Cant beat them if you ask me. And you did.

    Premier Icon MartynS
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    ohhh my 6p’s worth..

    ran Panaracer Cinders for a while. They were ok. Switched to the STW combo of Nevegal/Blue Groove however this happen to three tyres

    that one didn’t fail compleatly but is unusable, the other one did when I was out and about. and was replaced, the replacement failed, There was plenty of tread on the tyre’s when they went.
    Same thing also happened to another chap I was with as well.

    Switched back to panaracer, but the Rampage and I love it. good all rounder for me in the Peaks

    I find DTC and Stick-E Nevegals to be a great all round tyre. I like ACXs, but have had issues with sidewall tears.

    rich-6
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    Got some conti verticals on the way to me, In the past ive had Tioga Factory XC & DH 😆 Minions, Fire XCs, Specialised pro Resolutions. So far the minions have been the best in 2.35

    Hoping the Contis are pretty good, got them at a bargain price though so cant whinge if they arent

    Been using Pan Cinder 2.25’s for a couple of years – seem good all round, including wet/rooty/rocky stuff here in Scotland. Will probably go for Minions or High Rollers next just for a change. Tried Maxxis Advantage on the new bike and found them awful on slippery descents – just wiped out all over the place – absolutely hopeless

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