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  • 1. Be born a knob.
    2. Go out biking and start asking FC workers dumb questions.
    3. Carry on for 10 minutes asking them dumb questions.
    4. One of them gets fed up of you being a moron whilst they’re probably trying to get some work done and ‘helps you on your way’.
    5. Go back home, upload video to computer, edit out the middle 9 minutes where you’re pissing the guys off soo much they’re on the verge of snapping so all viewers see is a question being asked and a FC worker nudging you a bit.
    6. Put on youtube and are dumbfounded when people start slagging you off.

    The key thing I took away from the video is that he was riding on his own. Something I suspect he does a lot.

    Wow – that is some list of assumptions?

    But agree with final conclusion 😉

    I suspect he probably drove home in an Audi/Merc/BMW to a new’ish build house he shares with… erm, nobody.

    Want me to continue?

    argyle
    Member

    where he ate a finest range ready meal for 1 before going upstairs for a master-cry…

    Nah, just becomes a list of prejudices.

    Premier Icon Alejandro
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    Always the ones with cameras that get hassle.

    That might be because they’re the only ones documenting it…

    I agree the rider acted like a knob but the FC worker physically pushing him and his bike when not himself provoked in any physical manner is just not on.

    [My only gripe with harvesting is when all the brushwood isn’t removed on clear fell, leaves hell of a mess.]

    Difficult to remove it – a lot of it is needed to keep the machines up (on wet sites) and until recently there wasn’t a market. There is now a developing market for it as biomass – heat & power plants, so an increasing number of sites have the brash removed, which loks a lot better.

    The timber should currently have a high value to us taxpayers, but when has a state owned organisation been best placed to realise financial value……

    Premier Icon stumpyjon
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    Video has now been taken off UTUBEs….

    smell_it
    Member

    Well, in the spirit of making assumptions, was the video done by one of our forum? Who would have thought such a massive knob could possibly be a member of STW…..

    yunki
    Member

    he FC worker physically pushing him and his bike when not himself provoked in any physical manner is just not on

    I think the twit on the bike was lucky to get off so lightly.. I’m not a violent type myself but many blokes are..

    Klunk
    Member

    we had some FC thinning work done locally, looked like a panzer division had been through by the time they had finished. It’s still such an eyesore that the previously popular resurfaced bridlepath through the area is now overgrown and unused a year later. Mind you always found fc staff friendly even when i’ve been where i shouldn’t

    hopefully the guy wont lose his job due to some up himself little tosspot looking to be the next pootube video hero

    HR will send his as down the river …..

    zangolin
    Member

    The Video maker also had it posted on this Mpora page

    http://82.197.69.8/rydersmtb/

    Also seems to have been taken down.

    nealglover
    Member

    Can’t see the vid in the link for some reason.

    What’s the title so I can search for it. Sounds funny

    I love camera wearing trouble searchers 😉

    Premier Icon psling
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    nealglover – Member
    Can’t see the vid in the link for some reason.

    What’s the title so I can search for it. Sounds funny

    stumpyjon – Member
    Video has now been taken off UTUBEs….

    zangolin – Member
    The Video maker also had it posted on this Mpora page

    http://82.197.69.8/rydersmtb/

    Also seems to have been taken down.

    HTH 🙂

    schrickvr6
    Member

    I’m guessing he is from ‘ere as the YouTube vid said “as seen on stw”. Also noticed yesterday someone claiming to be from the fc saying they were shocked at the workers behaviour. Looks like an out of YouTube settlement has been reached.

    AS an aside I thought the brash was left so as it rotted down the nutrients went back into the soil?

    Markie
    Member

    He is certainly a member on here… quite quiet on this thread though, eh?

    >No it’s private land owned or leased by the governement<

    On behalf of the nation….

    There are some very compelling reasons for getting ‘our land’ out of the clutches of successive Ministers and quite posibly the FC for that matter:

    The Future of English State Forestry

    As for the OP the guy with the camera is clearly a knob but the FC guy handled it very badly for someone in the front line.

    yunki
    Member

    the FC guy handled it very badly for someone in the front line amenably for a labourer simply trying to get a cold and miserable job done.

    FTFY

    Balls to your fix. He didnt handle the situation amenably at all – quite the reverse.

    yunki
    Member

    That much is obvious Heatherbash..

    I think what I’m insinuating is that the FC guy isn’t ‘on a front line’ but far from it.. quite the opposite in fact.. he’s very likely a heavy plant operator.. not a maitre d’

    although it is certainly true to say that he’s at his cold wet place of work.. following instructions and being confronted by a rude and persistent wally..

    I’ve seen fine upstanding hardworking blokes lose their patience far more dramatically with less provocation..

    Kit
    Member

    Not seen the video, but most people lose the rag because it’s simply the last straw. Maybe he’d had a load of other arseholes having a go at him all week, or he’s having problems at home, or just found out he’s about to be laid off, or thinking about how badly paid forestry work is… then some self-important twunt pushes his buttons and BOOM! Carnage 😉

    He is certainly a member on here… quite quiet on this thread though, eh?

    Enlighten us!

    Premier Icon stumpyjon
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    >No it’s private land owned or leased by the governement<

    On behalf of the nation….

    Still doesn’t mean we have any right of access to to it. The government owns large numbers of buildings but you wouldn’t expect to use one of those whenever you felt like. There’s a very big difference between being owned by the government and open for access.

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    It’s a tree factory. You wouldn’t expect unlimited access to ride your bike through a car factory, even if it was publically owned. And if you tried, you’d not be too shocked to have a factory worker boot you up the arse.

    http://singletrackworld.com/2012/01/forestry-commission-announce-investigation-into-assault-video/

    Lifted from larger quote by FC spokesperson:

    Good relations with visitors to our forests – and, indeed, their safety – are extremely important to us.

    Good grief. 😐

    Someone should point the Commission to this thread, to emphasise that these forest visitors, who One would think likely side with the cyclist, actually think he’s a MAHOOSIVE bell-end and does us no favours at all.

    redthunder
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    I ride Wentwood all the time. And never had a problem with Forestry Workers often stop and chat and all have been cool.

    Never saw the video, so cant really comment.

    I built and riden 🙂 and lost 🙁 many trails in Wentwood. But thats just part of our game IMO.

    The NEW Trail will be better. However, I never really got over losing the “Lost Trail” over Gray Hill way :-(.

    flatfish
    Member

    +1 for rusty

    +1 for rusty..
    mtb bell end IMO

    edit: and name and shame the bell end please…stw pitchforks at the ready 😆

    Premier Icon rickmeister
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    Came here via the ST front page too…

    Expenditure :
    Harvesting and haulage 41.2
    Recreation, etc 56.0
    Other 58.1

    Income :
    Timber 77.4
    Recreation, etc 18.7
    Other 23.0

    Agree with all the comments about the provocation of camera boy, but as an aside I found these figures interesting, especially the difference between what the FC spend on supporting recreation as opposed to what they get back from car park fees, etc etc…

    AS an aside I thought the brash was left so as it rotted down the nutrients went back into the soil?

    The brash is left until most of the needles have fallen off as they contain most of the nutrients. Also the income from the brash is greater than the cost of applying fertliser.

    The timber income acheived by FC for it’s clients (us) is far less than the private sector acheives for it’s clients

    timber
    Member

    Leaving brash also fulfils the requirements of FSC accreditation to leave ‘x’ amount of wood on site for habitat. With bio fuel power stations, it’s now quite easy to sell the brash if you have a baler, but FSC/UKWAS accreditation is still valued.

    The clear up is also more likely to fall to a different team/contractor to the felling. If the site is replanted the brash will probably be rowed up and if you are lucky, you will find that brash mats would have been built over trails to protect them during harvesting.

    FC timber fetches lower prices as the standard tends to be lower than private estates. They also conatin a lot of Larch which is getting crap prices right now due to Phytopthora ramorum flooding the market with the stuff.

    Not seen the video due to it being pulled, but one of our biggest problems at work is numpties coming through barrier tape and onto site, just because you can’t see us or a big machine, doesn’t mean there isn’t a tree flying your way or hanging over your head.

    I know one contractor that works over that way, but he isn’t a patient man and this guy would’ve had a lot of shots of his intestines.

    And remember, trees are a crop, like wheat, just a bit slower.

    redthunder
    Member

    I’ve added a post to Wentwood Cycling Assocoiation. Tom will probably pin it to the top for a while.

    http://www.wentwooddownhill.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1132

    Anyone got a copy of this vid of Nick Ryder?

    schrickvr6
    Member

    Nick Ryder formerly of Ryders bike shop?

    wdh
    Member

    I’m Tom from Wentwood Downhill that red thunder linked to above, my comment is on the link above but I’ll post it here as well

    Thanks for posting that up. To make a proper response I would need to see the un edited version of the video. He made a valid question but perhaps didn’t go about asking it in the best way. FC respond best to e-mails phone calls and planned meetings, asking the workers direct is not going to result in the action you want but likely to result in arguments like in this video. Also the guy was a contractor so clearly has no tolerance for someone telling him how to do his job. Although I don’t agree with the riders way of confronting the FC I definetly don’t agree with the reaction he recieved, especially after Ive met many FC workers all who seen very down to earth and easy to speak to. In my view it definetly sent the wrong image to the wider community. I’d advise if riders had issues that they contacted me first and I can bring it up with the relevant people. Hopefully this doesn’t have an effect on riders wanting to come to wentwood as its a great place to visit.

    neninja
    Member

    Forestry Commission announce investigation into ‘assault’ video

    I hope some forestry workers aren’t going to lose their jobs because of a smart arse with a video camera who wants to show everyone how clever he is.

    redthunder
    Member

    Anyone got a copy of this vid of Nick Ryder?

    From the earlier links the profile name is “Nick Ryder”, could be anyone. This was the profile name of the deleted vid.

    This one:
    http://82.197.69.8/rydersmtb/

    Still would like to see the full video before I make my own conclusions.

    nikk
    Member

    Both the mountain biker and the contractor were interviewed about the incident, which happened on a live harvesting site where appropriate closure signs were in place.

    Both parties acknowledged an element of fault and regretted that the incident took place, and neither wished to pursue the matter further.

    All’s well that ends well.

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