Flat Earthers (again)

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  • Flat Earthers (again)
  • Premier Icon franksinatra
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    You would struggle to make this stuff up.

    All aboard the Flat Earth cruise – just don’t tell them about nautical navigation

    Makes me wonder, if you took a flat earther, flew them into space and showed them the planet, would they change their mind?

    Premier Icon tthew
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    Not necessarily.
    Bonkers

    alpin
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    That rocket guy even says that if he does see some curvature then it will likely be down to the curved glass of the helmet….

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    would they change their mind?

    Honestly I don’t think they would.

    I regularly see flat earthers have their entire argument completely destroyed and it makes absolutely no difference to them.

    A great example is Bob Knodel of Globebusters, who wanted to prove the Earth didn’t rotate at 15 degrees per hour. So they raised $20,000 to buy a very precise ring-laser gyroscope and funnily enough it showed a precession of 15 degrees per hour. Which they decided must be due to mysterious “heavenly energies”

    dannyh
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    It has got nothing to do with deeply held beliefs or anything like it.

    It is attention-seeking, plain and simple.

    Come up with a stupid point of view and stick to it no matter what. The rest of the world then tries to figure out whether you are joking, or mad or whatever – and all that lovely attention keeps on coming.

    Ignore.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Here’s Bob and his gyro:

    alpin
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    A lot of them seem to be a bit religious, too.

    I am, in an ironic kinda way, tempted to get a t-shirt or sticker.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    It is attention-seeking, plain and simple.

    There is an aspect of that to some of them, but the most common thing I see is the desire to feel “special”

    The religious ones want to be God’s special children on the special snowglobe He created especially for them. They often talk about how the “atheist/satanic sciencism” wants people to believe that they are not special, just an accident of chemistry on a speck of dust in an infinite universe.

    The others want to feel special by having special knowledge. They consider themselves “woke” and go on about brainwashed sheeple. Only they are smart enough to see da truef!

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    GrahamS, that is probably the case, and is covered in The Believing Brain by Michael Shermer.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Hop on over to Reddit and see some of it in action.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/
    is mostly an open meme battle between flerfers and globetards.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/notaglobe/
    is a flat earth echo chamber where anyone questioning anything that is posted is immediately banned from the sub.

    Also
    https://www.reddit.com/r/theworldisflat/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Flatearther/

    Premier Icon bikebouy
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    Flat Earthers I n mind expanding knowledge?

    What ever next?

    Lawmanmx
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    So you all are saying flat earthers have NO argument or evidence what so ever? is that the consensus? interested.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    argument or evidence” against facts? I would say not. They have bullshit, beliefs, made up evidence.

    Premier Icon tomhoward
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    So you all are saying flat earthers have NO argument or evidence what so ever? is that the consensus? interested.

    Nothing that hasn’t been spectacularly debunked.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    So you all are saying flat earthers have NO argument or evidence what so ever? is that the consensus? interested.

    I don’t think I have ever seen a bit of FE “evidence” that has troubled me too much. The majority of it is based on fundamental misunderstandings of physics, optics, what the globe model says combined with an inability to think in 3 dimensions or appreciate scale.

    What is particularly laughable is when they offer “evidence” that is actually a pretty decent proof of the globe. Like this:

    Premier Icon craig5
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    I love flat earthers & would love to go to a conference. Not in the USA obviously, I fear I might get shot

    If I was on a Flat Earth cruise, I’d be demanding to go right to the edge for a look-see.

    johndoh
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    If I was on a Flat Earth cruise, I’d be demanding to go right to the edge for a look-see.

    Was exactly my thought.

    Its a faith position, not a scientific one.
    They talk about evidence, but when people (e.g. wolfi6020 on youtube) challenged them to go out and look at the sun rising directly east and setting directly west on the equinox (an easy thing for anyone to measure which would never occur on a flat earth) zero flerfers actually did the experiment.

    Faith positions are difficult to shake. When I was religious I knew there was a host of phenomena and moral questions that were difficult to explain or justify in a universe with a good god. But I always assumed that there were brilliant answers out there that I just hadn’t heard yet.

    Then I looked for myself 🙂

    Another explanation is honestly rank ignorance and stupidity. I’ve heard someone opine on the “failures of the globe earth model” and the fact that “gravity doesn’t exist” in one breath and then be unable to tell someone what the angles are in a triangle with three equal sides in the next.

    We’re probably not losing the cure for cancer here.

    alpin
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    If I was on a Flat Earth cruise, I’d be demanding to go right to the edge for a look-see.

    Ice walls, silly. 200ft high.

    eddiebaby
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    Wait! Are you lot saying Terry Pratchett was fibbing? 😟

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    Can we have a reality TV programme in which they challenge a group of flat earthers to go on expedition to find the edge?

    Premier Icon jam bo
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    can they name it the B-ark?

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Ice walls, silly. 200ft high.

    If only we had some sort of magic flying contraptions capable of going higher than that. We could just pop over and take a few photos of the underside, shut those globists down once and for all.

    That’s a point actually – what do they imagine is on the other side? There could be a whole other ‘planet’ there that we don’t know about, couldn’t there?

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    They’d be shot down by the UN security patrols that protect the ice wall under the terms of the Antarctic Treaty.

    what do they imagine is on the other side?

    Of the wall? As usual, it depends who you ask.

    Religious types generally say the firmament dome starts at the ice wall, beyond the dome there are only the waters of heaven.

    Some twist Rear Admiral Richard Byrd‘s TV interview to conclude there are green fertile lands beyond the wall. But then he was a Freemason so…

    Some reckon there is an infinite plane with lots of other Earth-like pockets in it.

    5plusn8
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    I love this, I am glad it exists, kinda gives me a warm glow. I don’t know why, I think it is because I really do enjoy feeling smugly superior. Which is obviously a horrible personality trait, but I can’t help it. Every now and again when I am feeling shit I will dip in and bait them. Its awesome fun. I also love 9/11, climate change, chemtrailers, brexiters, all of them. Long may they continue.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    I really do enjoy feeling smugly superior. Which is obviously a horrible personality trait

    This is the danger – you can fall into the same “wanting to feel special” trap as they do.

    I mean understanding how many degrees there are in a triangle, how many metres there are in a kilometre, or how a magnetic compass works, doesn’t make me “special”, but it’s all too easy to feel like Stephen Hawking when you are talking to these people.

    For those who get a kick out of the foolishness of others..
    There are people on Youtube who:
    Think that clouds passing overhead are other worlds passing closeby and have convinced themselves (possibly just himself) that he can see cities etc by looking up.
    Think that all the pictures of Mars show a disaster zone with rubble from a civilisation.
    Think that the phases of the moon are caused by the shadow of the earth.

    Personally I’m torn between frustration, sympathy and laughter, but the one thing I can’t get past is their certainty.

    The first rule of Dunning-Kruger club is; you don’t know you’re in Dunning-Kruger club.

    “This is why I want to go up into space 62 miles up, to set this thing straight for people to know,” he said.

    Hughes plans to share his observations around — or across — the world.

    You can already imagine his “proof” being “debunked” as him being a plant all along.

    Graham S
    How many metres in a kilometer .. I’d forgotten that one!
    Pretty direct quote from a flerfer who just had conversion from metres to kilometres explained:
    “How can you divide a meter by a thousand and get something bigger*!!!!????!!!!”

    Good times :O)

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    There are people on Youtube who

    Have you encountered the two guys who think distance and altitude are fake, that America is half the size “they” say it is, and that planes are actually much smaller and fly much slower than “they” say.

    Think that the phases of the moon are caused by the shadow of the earth.

    Saw a flat-earther smugly making that mistake the other day. Not for the first time either.

    That’s what I mean about their “evidence” often being based on fundamental misunderstandings about what the globe model says is happening.

    5plusn8
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    but it’s all too easy to feel like Stephen Hawking

    no no I have a healthy attitude to how little I know, I definitely do not feel smart, I think that’s why I like it, as long as I am smarter than someone…

    Premier Icon blurty
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    I think they the flat earth society is a piss-take.

    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40315/the-flat-earth-society-has-members-all-around-the-globe

    Every now and then they break cover

    GrahamS
    Yup heard that one. Also the chuckle brother who think that water is an element and therefore not made up from hydrogen and oxygen.

    Mostly listen to the debunkers tho .. saves giving them views and usually much shorter and more interesting.

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Mostly listen to the debunkers tho .. saves giving them views and usually much shorter and more interesting.

    Likewise. Lots of the flat earth videos are over an hour long. I only have a limited amount of time to listen to morons.

    There is a YouTuber called “Tau Ceti Alpha” who does a very nice “Flat Earthers: Full Retard Mode” series that compiles clips of flerfers. Always good if you fancy a quick smorgasbord of insanity. Here’s the latest one:

    Premier Icon GrahamS
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    Sun at south pole is a good one too.

    Discussing that one on reddit right now in fact. It’s fake of course – because reasons…

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