- Flashed doing 75 in a 50 dual carriageway, court or points?
Xipon not enough info to give a definitive answer . What was the offense and timescale ? Most non punters are only ever likely to have warents for non payment of fines or 1st instance warrants for failure to answer a summons both these will be on record at the local magistrates court for where the offense happens. Ring them ask to speak to fines dept they will know about fines warrants . “Court work” or “listings” will know about 1st instance warrants. Ringing the court sidesteps any immediate plod pain.
Otherwise ring your local nick and act all worried and contrite .Posted 4 years ago
If you have a genuine fear that you have left it so long that a warrant exists and you need to surrender do so soon and do so before 8 .30 am on a weekday to an active police station close to the relevant court . 99% sure you have nothing to worry about 🙂willMember
Del – Member
yeah – typically domestic vehicles have the speedo calibrated so they read over. my van’s is bang on @ 70. i’ve checked it with gps a couple of times. i sail past a lot of cars on the motorway!
Interesting. Assume this is the same with trucks?
Always wondered why when doing 50mph in roadworks you’ll get trucks overtaking you despite them being restricted to 52mph.Posted 4 years agobreatheeasyMember
i’ve checked it with gps a couple of times. i sail past a lot of cars on the motorway!
Cop next door reckons the TomTom he’s used in the patrol car is pretty much as accurate as their calibrated speedo. My Nissan speedo is shocking, the Golf is a lot closer to actual speed.Posted 4 years ago
If the incident was recent it will all still be in the hands of who ever the speed cameras are run by . They normally do a nip in 14 days then a reminder in a month then wait I think 28 days then at some point within 6 months apply for a summons so a quick call to them providing reg number should be your first port of call.Posted 4 years ago
The ‘offence’ I think happened in late September, but it was only yesterday after somebody else talked about their NIP through the post, I remembered it (and the fact I hadn’t received a letter!)
A small surge of adrenaline, muttering “Oh sh!t…”
I think I was clocked on a motorway late at night (M6 southbound through the Lakes), by an officer on a bridge. He was lying down, pointing ‘something’ at the cars (I glanced up as I went under).
Thanks for your advice. I’ll phone one of the courts in Cumbria to get the ball rolling (as Cumbria was the county). I guess being pro-active about it might swing in my favour (or at least balance the lack of correct address on record)
Good call on turning up at 8:30am!
(There’s always somebody on STW who can point you in the right direction, no matter what the topic!)Posted 4 years agopolyMember
do so before 8 .30 am on a weekday
Any reason why?
You want the matter to be dealt with the same day. If you turn up at lunchtime there is a good chance you’ve missed the cut off for today’s court and accordingly will spend the night in a cell waiting for the next court available court time. If you report on a friday afternoon you could spend all weekend there.Posted 4 years ago
Winston if you have an arrest warrant you get booked into police custody at the arresting station that can take a while . they then ring the private escort company they send a van to the station likely to be a milk run rather than specially for you the van takes you to court where a handover is done to the court escorts. That is you the body at court .
Meanwhile the police officer does the paper work he or another separately takes the paperwork to the court office, they then input it and allocate it to a courtroom .
Body and paper work are then united in the bliss that is a hearing slotted in after whatever else was listed.
So police , group 4 / geoamy , civil service office staff , stressed court staff all get the chance to lose something or someone before you get released.
Oh and the court have an arbitrary cut off time when they refuse to deal with you and send you back through the system to police cells to wait till the next day.
So in the unlikely event that you ever have a court warrant early surrender and never on a Saturday or Sunday.Posted 4 years ago
Xiphon Sept is recent enough my bet is the police will not have even applied for a summons ring the cumbrian road traffic dept they should be able to sort you out. And the answer to the question are you admitting you were speeding is no officer I am just worried his device may be faulty and have wrongly clocked me.Posted 4 years agochrismacMember
Proof of posting to address of registered keeper is presumed service on registered keeper in law
I agree entirely. However you can always ask them to prove they posted it. I suspect that they can proove the computer system printed the letter, but I whether they can proove it was posted is something completely different.Posted 4 years agowinston_dogMember
@crankboy – thanks for the info all good stuff. Hopefully I’ll never have to use the warrant stuff….
Regarding the summons for speeding offences, are they posted?
Surely they must be signed for?
IYO what would happen if you waited until you got a summons and then claimed you hadn’t received anything and were happy to pay any fixed penalty?
Also, if they don’t get to you within 6 mths of the offence is that the end of it?Posted 4 years ago
And the answer to the question are you admitting you were speeding is no officer I am just worried his device may be faulty and have wrongly clocked me.
Can’t decide if that’s sarcastic or not? If I was the officer on the other end, I’d be thinking “Arrogant arse, he’s only calling because he’s worried he’s been clocked and not heard anything”Posted 4 years agoDelSubscriber
well if you prefer you can always answer ‘yes i admit i was speeding’ and get that warm, fuzzy feeling of helping them secure a conviction through an admission of guilt….Posted 4 years ago
you may only call cos you think you got done in the same way that they only ask if you want to admit to an offence. it works both ways!
Summonses are just posted out by the court . No requirement for them to be signed for . If you never receive them you can make application to set aside any conviction or vary any order.
Generaly for cases that can only be dealt with in the magistrates court there is a six month time limit for bringing proceedings ie issue of the summons it normally runs from date of knowledge of the offense. Note most truely bad boy stuff murder theft serious assault falls outside this rule.
Xipon I was not being sarcastic Del sums it up . Be hard getting a speeding conviction on your confession alone but never conceed something you don’t need to.Posted 4 years agoshuhockeyMember
Having been on a Speed Awareness course, we were told the speedo is because all the car manufactures calibrate with a winter tyre which has a larger diameter. Because if they used a summer tyre then the customer put on a winter tyre the speed they were doing would be more than the speedo. So if you stuck a 15inch rim on a car that takes a 16inch the speedo would be showing you going really fast as it turns more for a given distance.Posted 4 years ago
hmmm good point. I’ll have to think very carefully (and write it down!) before I say anything.
Don’t get me wrong – I’m not trying to wriggle out of it – if I was clocked, I’ll face the consequences. What I don’t want, is for it to get worse, if I don’t do anything.
“No officer I am just worried his device may be faulty and have wrongly clocked me.”
As I don’t have a letter in my hand saying I was clocked, I can’t say I’m worried about bring wrongly clocked.
Would something along the lines of “Due to moving house, the registered address of the vehicle XXXX XXX was not updated as quick as I should have. I was driving along the M6 at XX:XX on XX September 2013 and passed underneath an Officer with device pointing at the road, what I presume to be a speed radar gun. The registered address for vehicle XXXX XXX was changed from <old address> to <new address> on <date>, so there is a chance that any letters you may have sent were not received by myself.”Posted 4 years ago
Xiphon I would suggest you don’t over think it . A phone call will answer your query you will be chatting to someone who is used to dealing with people spouting all sorts of guff and laying down the law. Probably not Morse ready primed to trap you . Be nice and a simple query should produce a straight answer from an abundance of caution I suggest you avoid an admission but all you need to convey is you believe you went passed an officer doing speed checks you have just changed address as a result of a stupid scare story on the internet you are now worried that there could be letters sent out to your old address that you may need to deal with would they mind checking their system.
Your suggested wording of a letter is spot on . Personaly I would go for the flexibility and instant reassurance of a phone call.Posted 4 years agochewkwMemberB.A.NanaMember
ACPO speed enforcement guidelines
Speed limit Min speed for a speeding ticket Min speed for prosecution
20mph 25mph 35mph
30mph 35mph 50mph
40mph 46mph 66mph
50mph 57mph 76mph
60mph 68mph 86mph
70 mph 79mph 96mph
A guide to speeding fines!Posted 4 years ago
Are those actual speeds? so you could add another 4mph onto those to compensate for speedo inaccuracy???fatyowlsMember
What the camera clocks you at is what you will get fined or prosecuted it as simple as that.Posted 4 years ago
I am not passing judgment, but according to the table above it looks like you are just under, i hope it works out for you a very minor wrongdoing in considering the world we live in.mattsccmMember
Proof of posting to address of registered keeper is presumed service on registered keeper in law
try telling the DVLA that. Their view is, so they told me, that if they post it the customer must have received it. However if you post it that’s not the case. Honest, some dimwit in their office told me that. Took months to sort out an apparent failure to notify them of a change of keeper. they ignored my proof of posting and recorded delivery and accused me of lying when I said I hadn’t received any thing from them. I think that was actually lost by the PO but the point is…Posted 4 years agowurzelcubeMember
You should be ok for the FPN unless the enforcing police force were having a zero tolerance campaign however the acpo guidelines are just guidelines so to a degree depends on where / conditions etc.
I was caught a few years ago doing 93 on a dual carriage way and was relieved to get only 3 points. My NIP didn’t include the option of court or a FPN instead just to identify driver so if your letter mentioned FPN I think you should be fine. It made me think twice about speeding.Posted 4 years ago
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