First car restoration project

[SilentSparkyMember]

I’m not a mechanic by any stretch, but have a niggle to give restoring car learning as I go.

So what would be a good basic car to do a bit of restoration on?

[passtherizlaMember]

Mk2 escort mexico… Its what my dad was restoring when I was little, 2.0 EFI Turbo, used to spit fire about 3 feet out the exhaust and all the power straight to the rear wheels… OOOOh yes.

[monkey_boyMember]

an old original ‘proper’ mini, had great fun messing with my old one

[trail_ratMember]

depends what kind of restoration you want to do …

rivet count concourse special or functional weekend fun ?

take your budget and triple it – thats a rough costing

[globaltiMember]

A Land Rover. Cheap, simple, everything is bolted together, plentiful spares and you can have fun when it’s finished.

[dazzMember]

something simple, original mini, mg bgt, spitfire, anything from pre mid 80’s. Nice simple mechanics.

[captaincarbonMember]

Got a Triumph Herald convertable to get rid of…..?

[falkirk-markMember]

summit not needing too much work to start with as it could take up a stupid amount of time. Then see how you feel after that

[Gary_MMember]

Citroen 2CV6

[SilentSparkyMember]

Weekend fun and to just to learn how stuff works…

[mossimusMember]

A VW Beetle, not as cheap as thye once were but plenty of spare parts around.

[bigyinnMember]

You’ll need a dry garage with space for 2 cars. 1 space for the car, the other for all the bits you take off!

[falkirk-markMember]

Gary_M – Member
Citroen 2CV6

I used to want a 2cv till i saw this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUIxMIyExqE

[LHSMember]

I would second the mini suggestion, purely from a simplicity, part availability, cost point of view.

I have restored

1986 Mini Cooper
1972 Mini 1275GT
1975 MGBGT
1935 Austin Seven Nippy
1938 Armstrong Siddeley

The Siddeley was by far the hardest.

[TPTcruiserSubscriber]

Have a look at the various classic car sites. There must be loads for minis and beetles. I went to a UK 2CV meeting near Cambridge a couple of years ago, well organised. Autojumbles like they have at Beaulieu or near Warwick.
Father in law has a Triumph Vitesse he is restoring to rallying condition.

[SpeshpaulSubscriber]

Welding, painting and mechnics, are the 3 big areas. a complete basket case will require all 3. Now thats a big undertaking.
A mini or a beetle could be a total rot box. if you can’t weld its going to be costly.
rather than restoring maybe look for something to to impove. someting with a MOT that you can enjoy driving, but still work on.

[ourmaninthenorthSubscriber]

I’ve owned a 1975 mini (my first car), which was insightful when it came to mechanics. A PITA on a wet night when it conked out…

For me, I’d love one of these, but only for driving round in – I haven’t the time to service my bikes, let alone restore cars..!

[sobrietyMember]

Classic Car Ownership = Welding or expensive bills for welding. They’re not all rotboxes but they do all rot, it’s just the nature of classic cars, and I’d expect any that you buy with an MoT without a thick wodge of receipts for bodywork and/or photos of restoration (and these ones will seem expensive for a reason!) to have ‘some’ areas that are mostly filler.

[SilentSparkyMember]

Thanks for all of the input, maybe I’ll search out a functional but untidy car to do up first to break me in, rather than jumping in at the deep end.

[scaledSubscriber]

Cheap and easy way to get into restoring cars then you cant go far wrong with a mk1 MX5, will be good to drive about for a bit afterwards, parts are cheap and plentiful and its not rocket science.

[trail_ratMember]

i wouldnt be scared of welding tbh ….

ive had my mig for about 15months and my welding gets better every time i use the thing – i dont get a huge amount of opertunities to use it but my weldings once ground back and painted is hard to see and leaves a satisfactory finish but it isnt rivet counter perfect ive done chassis welding (4mm plate) and thin wall(1mm sheet) bulkhead welding and welded the sides back on my dads trailer

what i find more difficult than the welding is the prep work – the prep work is key to a good weld finish and in hard to access areas it can be a chunt !

although ive seen some competition ALRC tagged cages at events with some shonky looking welds (but just cause it aint pretty doesnt mean its not strong and converse)

my only training on a welder was 2 afternoons on an arc at uni – a mig in comparison is a hot metal glue gun – the rest was from youtube /practice – dont go near your car till you have spent alot of time with scrap metal !

[thisisnotaspoonMember]

I’d buy a running and driving car, little bits break or fall off regulalry enough to keep you busy without having to deal with an actual resoration, it’ll also be cheepr as most parts can be reconditioned, whereas a ‘mostly complete just TLC needed’ resoration project will be missing one million and one parts that each cost a few pence, a fiver, fifty quid to replace and soon add up.

I’ve a MG Midget I might think of selling soon. Heritage shell (so I can practicaly gaurentee there’s no hidden rust), only one 2p sized rust bubble where 2 pannels have rubbed on the front wing. Something like £8kl of recipts from it’s resoration, and a few hundred since then, recently had a new clutch system, new pads, disks, rear pistons and pads, and hub bearings all round.

MOT and tax just about to run out this week.

Hardtop
Sort top
toneau (zipped so you can just open up the drivers side)
softop cover

‘Issues’

For the MOT:
New tie-rod ends need fitting (rubber boots split on the old ones and they’ve siezed)
Brake seals need lubeing
Handbrake (beyond saving, it’s a complete replacement cable, pivot and rods needed)

Cosmetic:
That rust bubble

Handling:
Could do with new springs up front as the drivers side is sagging (good excuse to lower it) and the rear’s could do with refurbishing (new ones are appaling quality apparently, much better (and no more expensive) to get the original leaves bent back into shape).

[mcmoonterMember]

A Series Land Rover would be my first choice. A IIA is a great, retro resto proposition. Parts cheap as chips. Minimal welding. Only the chassis, bulkhead and front panel are steel. Loads of forum help, and a practical usable and still desirable classic when it comes to resale.

Minis are similar, but a nightmare bodywise. I did this pickup years ago.

Volvo Amazon are good practical cars too, but some parts are expensive.

This Dennis fire engine was swapped for a series Land Rover. We ended up selling it on.

This is my Morris almost complete and roadworthy again. A lot like an old Land Rover under the skin.

Go for simplicity on a first project. You’ll need space to work on and store parts. Budget for tools and parts. Buy quality stuff and it’ll last you a lifetime.

[uselesshippyMember]

+1 for the beetle. Loads of cheap parts about.

[vdubber67Member]

+1 for Beetle. Very easy to work on. Engine comes out with a 17mm spanner, a trolley jack and a skateboard (ok maybe some swearing as well!)

Pick your project well, whatever you go for. Working with rot really isn’t the fun bit, so the less you have the better. Take someone who knows that particular sort of car when you go to view a potential project, and DON’T let your heart rule your head

Restos=moneypits if you’re not careful!

Good luck

[Gee-JaySubscriber]

spitfire/gt6/herald/vitesse

lots of people make spare bits, access to everything is easy, cheap and a spitfire with gt6 underneath is a nice soft top and sounds good or is that a GT6 with spitfire body or vitesse engine etc etc

[Tiger6791Subscriber]

Land Rover.

Parts are cheap
Bolts are big
Plenty of room to work on them

You’ll need Land Rover special tool #1 though

[maccruiskeenSubscriber]

I’ve a MG Midget I might think of selling soon. Heritage shell (so I can practicaly gaurentee there’s no hidden rust), only one 2p sized rust bubble where 2 pannels have rubbed on the front wing. Something like £8kl of recipts from it’s resoration, and a few hundred since then, recently had a new clutch system, new pads, disks, rear pistons and pads, and hub bearings all round.

See that – the receipts mount up. And if you’re not already a mechanic then for every receipt you count for a part thens a receipt you don’t count for the tool(s) to fit that part.

And you know how modern vehicles work better and last longer (my 2001 merc is going to hit 300,000 miles in the next few weeks on original engine and running gear and is likely capable of another 100,000) well old cars didn’t work as well or last as long.

Even if you renew and restore it to better than factory its still exactly like a car from the 60s/70s/70s and well wear out and rot as quickly as it did back then(as a kid I remember my dads 5 year old cortina had rust holes I could get my hand into)

I bought a newly restored MGB with £10k of receipts, for a fully photo documented total strip/weld/seal rebuild. Newly restored I paid £6k for it, meaning the restorer lost £4k, plus his time plus the original cost of the car. I had it for 5 years, regularly repaired and maintained, which is enough time for a car of the era to totally unrestore itself. Sold if for about £700 for a guy who was looking for a project to restore 🙂

[trail_ratMember]

“Land Rover.

Parts are cheap
Bolts are big
Plenty of room to work on them

You’ll need Land Rover special tool #1 though

“

for what macruisekeen says is good enough reason to go land rover – oh wait i did :D. but if i started again id get a 2a leafer !

[spandex_bobSubscriber]

How about something where the welding is chassis rather than shell? The two that spring to mind are Reliant Scimitar and Ginetta G15; or a kit might make a lot of sense. Does it need to have more than 2 seats, a roof, fit in a small garage? What kind of car do you want to have at the end; going to be a lot easier to motivate work / spends when you really want the end result.

[RichieBoyMember]

I’ve done 3 minis, and on my 4th. Honest advice? Don’t bother! They are total money pits and even if you can weld you end up spending far too much.

The only reason i do it is because i’m totally addicted to how much fun they are to drive, and cant stand the thought of a ‘normal’ car…

Oh, and i’ve had 2 people and 2 full-sussers on the inside 😉

[thisisnotaspoonMember]

like £8kl of recipts from it’s resoration

Forgot to mention, I’m after about £3200 for it, or £3700 with the steering and brakes sorted, MOT and tax.

[ononeorangeSubscriber]

If you go Land Rover, I have a Mark II with good gearbox / engine but chassis has had it in the South-East. Good for parts and I just haven’t quite been able to bring myself to scrap her.

[brassneckSubscriber]

Cheap and easy way to get into restoring cars then you cant go far wrong with a mk1 MX5, will be good to drive about for a bit afterwards, parts are cheap and plentiful and its not rocket science.

+1 – really enjoyed working on mine and it was my daily drive too. I did a few performance mods, learnt a lot and it wasn’t massively expansive in any department. Neatly avoids the worst of welding issues too, which I’ve got down as something to learn when I retire 🙂

[edlongMember]

Minis have the advantage that you will still be able to get around one in the garage, and parts are easily and cheaply available. They are a PITA to work on however.

Beetles are basically easier – if you ever worked with mechanno as a kid, you’ll be fine with a beetle – it’s all bolt-together. Parts also cheaply and easily available. Not nearly as much fun as a mini to drive though.

No experience of land rovers..

[SilentSparkyMember]

Well just spent the afternoon browsing eBay, probably going to go the Land Rover route if I can find something in budget that isn’t a wreck.

ononeorange – I’m also in the SE so we maybe able to work something out?

Although I did get side tracked by old Posches, MGB GT’s, old XR2s,3s, Golfs, Spitfires… so we’ll see 🙂

[ononeorangeSubscriber]

SilentSparky – emailed you.

Cheers

[b rMember]

Avoid original Mini’s, they were rustboxes (and crap to work on) 30 years ago – god knows what they are like now.

Forgot to mention, I’m after about £3200 for it, or £3700 with the steering and brakes sorted, MOT and tax.

For this price you could get a track car and pay for a years’ trackdays – shunts and breakages would teach you all you need to know.

http://cars.yakaz.co.uk/peugeot-mi16-for-sale

[TaffMember]

Mini or mk 2 escort would be awesome.

Helped my old man with a triumph GT6 and spitfire. In the past.

[CrellMember]

You’ll need Land Rover special tool #1 though

Once described to me as the “Mechanics’ Friend”.

Useage: “Time for the Mechanics’ Friend” … just before he laid in to a stuck CV joint.

[alpinMember]

surely you should be thinking about one of these (or similar)

lo-cost.

buy a donor car, rape it and knock up something that is properly yours for about 5-6k….

[alpinMember]

surely you should be thinking about one of these (or similar)

lo-cost.

buy a donor car, rape it and knock up something that is properly yours for about 5-6k….

[Rubber DuckSubscriber]

That looks delightful Alpin, what is it! Any other picks/ details. What donor car?

[konabunnyMember]

I’ve done 3 minis…Oh, and i’ve had 2 people and 2 full-sussers on the inside

Where did you put the elephants, though?

[TaffMember]

This topic has me looking at MGBs and spitfire again. My mrs won’t like you guys today! The other plus side to restpring a beetle is that you should know how to fix it when it brakes down when going to Run to the Sun!