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  • righty
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    As I said b4 I am not soliciting on STW if you want to call/contact me please do via website

    dabble
    Member

    how much are you paying – if it’s not significantly above what people can get in benefits why should they bother working?

    This is a ridiculous argument for not working, and partly whats wrong with this country. Why should i go to work to pay for them to sit on their arses? We may as well all sit at home twiddling our thumbs and waiting for the dole to come through.

    MoseyMTB
    Member

    If only you’d been up Stockport way. 🙁

    I’m a graduate and a trained teacher and finding work hard to come by.

    nealglover
    Member

    £60-£150 for a 6/8 hour shift

    So between £10 and £18.75 per hour.

    I certainly wouldn’t rush to work on a self employed basis for £10/hr.

    By the time you’ve paid your dues on that its hardly worth bothering.
    (Compared to what any decent self employed person should be charging their own time out at)

    And I certainly wouldn’t miss out on my own work to do work for someone else for that money.

    righty
    Member

    how much are you paying – if it’s not significantly above what people can get in benefits why should they bother working?
    This is a ridiculous argument for not working, and partly whats wrong with this country. Why should i go to work to pay for them to sit on their arses? We may as well all sit at home twiddling our thumbs and waiting for the dole to come through.

    +10000000 lol

    righty
    Member

    actually £80-£150 and most times we finish early so the rates work out better, our guys make lots of money in addition to whatever else they do, of course i would expect people to prioritise based on rates I.E. if they can get £25/hour elsewhere then do it otherwise if they have free time why not earn some semi decent money in addition, thats my view anyway

    wrecker
    Member

    It’s casual work with no prospect of progression. People aren’t going to be keen as mustard for that type of work. The money is ok, but not great for SC60 stuff.

    allthepies
    Member

    People aren’t going to be keen as mustard for that type of work.

    Depends on how much you want some income. According to the usual suspects on here there are no jobs out there so surprising people aren’t biting the OP’s arm off.

    waveydave
    Member

    with you righty, its so difficult finding alf decent staff.

    Depends on how much you want some income. According to the usual suspects on here there are no jobs out there so surprising people aren’t biting the OP’s arm off.

    I think that this type of work is ok if it’s a second income whether you are doing it on the side, cash in hand, as and when there’s work or declaring and paying full deductions.

    For some one out of work it gets complicated. Do you come off benefits, work for righty (using you as an example) for 2 days only to find he has no more work for you for a week or two or longer – then spend 6 weeks resiging on. Or do you do it on the side and hope you dont get caught.

    I would suspect that many people doing this work whether employed or not will not be declaring it (again not aimed at righty, just at the daily rate/here’s the cash type of job).

    As an aside – do all your employees declare the income and pay full tax and NI?

    RichPenny
    Member

    I wouldn’t say those were great rates of pay for weekend self employment, but I’d expect you to get some interest still. How are you advertising? Do you get people for interview who then decline the work?

    nealglover
    Member

    As an aside – do all your employees declare the income and pay full tax and NI?

    :mrgreen:

    Of course they do.

    Security is probably the main driver in this job market, does what you do offer that? If you’re not getting committed people perhaps it will require more commitment on your part? A few shifts here and there isn’t enough for most people. Try some older people, some of my best hires have been bored early retirees also don’t discount the job centre there are some good people to be found there, often people who have been in jobs for ages, made redundant and deserve a chance.

    righty
    Member

    I wouldn’t say those were great rates of pay for weekend self employment, but I’d expect you to get some interest still. How are you advertising? Do you get people for interview who then decline the work?

    Well I worked for these rates of pay for a while and thought they were ok for additional income whist living in London, perhaps we have too many IT consultants on here who don’t get out of bed for less than £900 per day 🙄
    I do get some interest from the limited free advertising I used plus word of mouth, but kind of going back to my original point for £100+ plus per day of basically unskilled labour the level of person we are getting is really bad considering the supposed state of the economy and what I believe to be decent money.
    Most people who contract for me do at least 5 shifts per week so its hardly minimum wage and they are getting regular work plus the better they are the better the company does the more contracts we get the more shifts people get and thus everyone is happy

    righty
    Member

    Depends on how much you want some income. According to the usual suspects on here there are no jobs out there so surprising people aren’t biting the OP’s arm off.

    I think most people prefer to be sat on their asses, getting their giro every few weeks 😆

    righty
    Member

    I suppose there are just too many thick people out there lol
    Yet smart enough to get past your selection process ? lol

    If people say to me that they can do they job I give them the chance-is that so bad? 🙄

    RichPenny
    Member

    Well you said between £60 and £140 a day, no? Not sure why you’re comparing it to £900. If it’s the furniture removal stuff you’re after, how do your wages compare to a labourer for example? Any mates in the building trade who could find a few hands for you?

    Have you considered that your limited free advertising and word of mouth may be self-selecting a lower level of candidate?

    Cletus
    Member

    IMO those rates are not bad.I worked temporary jobs for less when I was younger.

    Have you thought about using students who are studying IT related subjects? Although you state it is simple work it might be good real world experience for them. The rates you are paying would be more than the alternatives such as retail and bar work typically available to students.

    righty
    Member

    Well you said between £60 and £140 a day, no? Not sure why you’re comparing it to £900. If it’s the furniture removal stuff you’re after, how do your wages compare to a labourer for example? Any mates in the building trade who could find a few hands for you?

    Have you considered that your limited free advertising and word of mouth may be self-selecting a lower level of candidate?

    First the rates are between £80 and £150 per SHIFT, a shift on paper is as little as 6 hours and in practice may only be 4 hours or less due to team working well together rather than spending most of the time gassing or updating Facebook.
    I am not comparing it with £900 per day roles which require considerably more experience and qualifications please read what what said.
    I give people a chance based on 1st impressions/recommendations, I will continue doing that as I feel that attitude(or apparent attitude)
    is the most important to me, if they let me down so be it at least they had a chance.

    RichPenny
    Member

    I read what you said. Couldn’t be bothered to go back a page to check your exact numbers. Perhaps the money isn’t the reason you find it hard to get people to work for you.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Casual jobs get casual workers. Fact of life.

    Working two jobs is dead hard, so you’re going to have to give people some slack.

    righty
    Member

    Loving some of the comments
    Giving a true reflection of the uk work ethic
    Too many beers so thats it for tonite

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    We pay decent money, offer decent conditions, in a good working environment in which people are treated right, and feel like they matter, and we recruit carefully. We have no problem at all getting absolutely first class people into the right jobs. (obviously I’m the exception that proves the rule 😉 ) Every place I’ve worked that couldn’t hold onto good people was lacking in at least one of those. Some tried to fix the absence of one by overdosing on another but that’s a tricky game.

    Also, good people beget good people, in other jobs I;ve seen good, enthusistic, capable people get beaten down by the people they worked with, and turned into crap, miserable people like their colleagues. But it works both ways, a good team and a good workplace can lift people too.

    righty
    Member

    Also, good people beget good people, in other jobs I;ve seen good, enthusiastic, capable people get beaten down by the people they worked with, and turned into crap, miserable people like their colleagues. But it works both ways, a good team and a good workplace can lift people too

    I am finding this too, and its really true that one negative person can bring the whole teams motivation and productivity down.

    At least if someone is bad we just don’t use them again, I would hate to be an employer and have to jump through hoops to try and motivate someone who didn’t want to work well.I know this sounds mercenary but we are judged on how well we do contracts thus if we mess up we lose the contract and no one gets more work from that company, so it has to be this way.

    We have the foundations of a really good group of guys and as a result we will all enjoy the fruits of our labour, which will soon involve company trips away etc

    globalti
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    A pal of mine is a horticulturalist in Gloucestershire with several acres of glass. For years labour was a major issue; the local job centre would send him English workers who would tun up late, still drunk, with all kinds of excuses, do little work, complain and moan and by the Wednesday most would have given up. Some couldn’t even be bothered to come back on the Friday to collect the wages they had earned on the Monday. It was a nightmare and it took up a huge amount of his time and energy.

    Then along came Polish workers and his nightmare ended; suddenly there were people who were willing to work, trustworthy, happy with the wages and most are still with him several years later because it’s a year-round business. He can leave them to do the horticulture and get on with building the business and exporting his knowledge and experience.

    chuffnuts
    Member

    My company offer a similar service with A/V and automation equipment, and I pay helpers to work on a casual basis too. I don’t generally find a problem with the workers, but have had one or two just not want to be there. I think that most of this is because of the out of hours nature of the work, they agree to work, then find out that there’s something better that they’d rather be doing. As this is an extra income to a full time job they could just not do it and go out with their mates/family instead which may be on their mind? Never really found a solution to this, except to try to give as much notice and planning as possible to make sure everyone is as ready mentally as possible.

    If you ever need help with any A/V, automation or lighting stuff then let me know?

    rudebwoy
    Member

    finding quality employers is even harder– in fact while people think that casual self employment is the answer, then its a race to the bottom….

    joefm
    Member

    You’ve answered your own question. If its a second job I’m not surprised. While the idea of extra money may be good the extra hassle involved when fitting it around your day job, family commitments may prove too much for them.

    Or maybe what you’re asking to be done is really boring. Pay isn’t everything…

    I personally don’t want to work more than 5 days for the majority. Don’t have enough free time…

    righty
    Member

    finding quality employers is even harder– in fact while people think that casual self employment is the answer, then its a race to the bottom….

    I am running a business, the success of the company is paramount and those who work with us will make plenty of money as a result of our current and forthcoming success.
    People have a choice and its hardly a race to the bottom, I would say the opposite for those involved with my operation

    grum
    Member

    What I was alluding to earlier – personally I reckon if the pay/conditions/work is as good as you say, there would be plenty of people biting your hand off to do it. You’re assuming the problem is the quality of the workers – maybe that attitude is part of the problem, and maybe what you’re offering isn’t as good as you think.

    nealglover
    Member

    personally I reckon if the pay/conditions/work is as good as you say, there would be plenty of people biting your hand off to do it. You’re assuming the problem is the quality of the workers – maybe that attitude is part of the problem, and maybe what you’re offering isn’t as good as you think.

    If you can’t get people to stay and work for you.

    It’s almost certainly this.

    hora
    Member

    Are you a bike company OP? Isnt there a bike company where everyone is effectively self employed (or was) from warehouse etc upwards.

    oldnpastit
    Member

    If you can’t get people to stay and work for you.

    And perhaps line management issues?

    TurnerGuy
    Member

    Is this a new thing though?

    In one of my summers between uni terms I worked at a factory making pneumatic control instruments and the workers there all used to work slow so they would get overtime at the weekends.

    I had to cover for some guy that QAed them, packaged them up, and took them to dispatch in a trolley that he packed as he boxed each one.

    He had to show me the routine and he must have had a chip on his shoulder as he progressed at an efficient rate of putting 3 on the bench at a time and checking them, boxing the 3, etc. Obviously a little quick for me until I had the hang of it.

    He then went on holiday and when he came back he then got in trouble as they asked why he only worked at a third of the rate I had been, because he normally only did one at a time but I had carried on at his demonstrated rate, not realising that it was fast as it seemed an evidently normal rate once used to it.

    That was 30 years ago, it seems like not much has changed – wasters then, wasters now…

    I’ve only skimmed through the previous posts, but I don’t think anyone else has picked up on this.

    From http://www.mibsolutions.co.uk/

    Which is why use highly qualified engineers to undertake the work.

    Compare with;

    Its not rocket science by any means really simple stuff that anyone with an ounce of intelligence could do…

    …its easy unskilled work…

    righty
    Member

    From http://www.mibsolutions.co.uk/
    Which is why use highly qualified engineers to undertake the work.

    taken in context this refers to server engineers who are all Cisco and MS qualified and have help desk jobs as their day jobs.

    Its not rocket science by any means really simple stuff that anyone with an ounce of intelligence could do…

    refers to fitters/porters who can be trained quickly to perform the tasks they need to do.
    thanks for all the pm’s :mrgreen:

    I was going to apply, I need some extra money. I’m a good employee, very proactive too but I have a back problem and there’s no way I can lift/pack stuff.

    Turning to your website: it’s equipment, not equiptment, centre not center. “timely delays”? I think you mean time-consuming delays, timely is the wrong word.

    I haven’t read it all, but on the first page, in the lists of services you provide, you might look at how you’ve given some words an initial capital, and not others (not including proper nouns or the first word on the line).

    (I’m being helpful btw, not trying to be rude – if I see a website/advert with spelling mistakes and bad punctuation I think twice about using the service offered.)

    righty
    Member

    Thanks for your comments, we will be addressing the errors shortly, basically we have been so busy fulfilling contracts that we didn’t have chance to proofread 100%, there are also a couple of duplicate pages, we are about to change the look completely and re brand the logo etc so all should be fixed.

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    Self-employed and the jobs you have described would be mutually incompatible. I suspect the more genned up will have seen the IR35 trap and walked away quickly. Mrs Sandwich was expressed a professional interest in the system (this is a bad thing, like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters).

    konabunny
    Member

    Self-employed and the jobs you have described would be mutually incompatible. I suspect the more genned up will have seen the IR35 trap and walked away quickly. Mrs Sandwich was expressed a professional interest in the system (this is a bad thing, like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters).

    Yes, I was about to say this too. I find it hard to believe the workers are not temp employees in reality – at least the kids hulking the stuff around.

    Premier Icon BigEaredBiker
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    Self-employed and the jobs you have described would be mutually incompatible. I suspect the more genned up will have seen the IR35 trap and walked away quickly. Mrs Sandwich was expressed a professional interest in the system (this is a bad thing, like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters).

    If I had spare time I’d be interested in a job like righty offers if the money was reasonable but IR35 would definitely be a possible issue. The reality would either be a carefully worded contract (and pray HMRC never really look into it) or just sign up with one of the companies like Giant and then accept that the employer contributions also come off your hourly rate – the only possible benefit being able to claim expenses etc.

    rudebwoy
    Member

    what about health and safety issues–if an incident occurs–and people are injured by another party —according to your terms they are at the mercy of the market– not worth endangering your main job ?

    mattsccm
    Member

    Crappy attitude that has become the way of life in our country.
    pay etc is irrelevant. When you agree to something you stick to it. Its very easy.

    atlaz
    Member

    I have a similar problem here in Luxembourg. The locals don’t seem to want to work for private enterprise as the government is a job for life and pays quite well (and needs you to speak Luxembourgish which means mostly locals). Most of our applications come from outside the country and the majority of those from outside the region.

    Considering the papers are full of the fact that young people can’t find work, I can only assume that the state safety net is more than adequate for most of them while they wait for their chance at the easy life to come along.

    grahamg
    Member

    It’s a funny one this, I’ve always been a slacker in my personal life, but as soon as I’m getting paid (no matter what the rate) I’m going to work hard to the best of my ability. Maybe the SE jobs market is bouyant enough for people to be picky? I know that elsewhere the quality of temps is through the roof as you get many ‘professional’ types needing any old work following redundancy etc.

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