Female music/pop performers flashing the flesh?

Just watching a rerun of Chattyman and 5thdimension are “performing”
As a grandfather of 3 girls and as of today a great grandfather of 1 I wonder why all these young women feel the need to flash the flesh???? ❓
Eldest granddaughter is 10 going on a teenager and her mum took her and cousins to a Little Mix concert last week. It would seem Little Mix have gone down the ” flash the flesh” route going by recent press photos 🙄

Am Injust getting too old ❓

If these “artists” we’re talented enough to let their music do the talking then maybe they could dress like Adele 💡 but it would seem even Beyoncé deems it necessary to flaunt her flesh 😥

Don’t think it’s a new thing. Female pop stars have always been at the risque end of fashion.

L7, The Word

L7, The Word

Not exactly eye candy lol

Do you really think it’s their free choice? Rather than something they are “forced” to do?

It’s all in the game yo

Depends, fashion and personal preference for skimpy clothing I don’t see any problem with. If a pop star of any gender wants to dress in skimpy clothing then that’s their choice… or at least should be.

If it’s a marketing device pushed onto them then I do have more of a problem – that’s a society problem though as to why marketing using sex objects still works and not just in the music industry.

All comes down to choice at the end of the day and whose choice it is.

I suspect Esme hit the nail on the head there ^

Kylie’s been doing it for years

It does seem to gone backwards in the last 20 years or so – I never remember Louise Wener flashing lots of flesh.

(Drifts off for a bit…)

Madonna was scandalous back in the early 80s, nothing’s changed. Except the OPs got older 🙂

Kylie

Ooh it’s Friday….

Sex sells and when you don’t have the massive talent to sell records then you need to use something else to increase your sales.
Plenty don’t see the need to bare all to make a sale and I don’t get “they’re forced to” line. If they refused what they were told to wear and were dropped by the label and they were that talented then surely they would be picked up by another label pretty quick.
The long standing artists didn’t start off flashing the flesh to get themselves noticed but worked hard on getting themselves recognised.

Pretty much every ‘rock’ gig I go to, the front man is topless in fairly short order and that hasn’t changed in the last 35 years.

Generally speaking, females in rock bands are better covered up than the men

Exploitation certainly happens, and not just in KPop

http://jezebel.com/how-we-failed-to-protect-kesha-1760142637

Do you really think it’s their free choice? Rather than something they are “forced” to do?

Is anybody really ‘forced’ to become a ‘pop star’? I think not

There are some terrible things that happen in this world, like forced prostitution, but ‘pop stars’??

Do you really think it’s their free choice? Rather than something they are “forced” to do?

Everyone gets asked, at some point in their working life, to do something they’re not comfortable doing. It’s their choice to do it or get a new job. Pop stars are no exception.

Sorry – did you not read the linked article? Here, let me quote it:

Commercially reasonable, yes. Contracts were signed. Kesha entered into a legal agreement with Sony and Kemosabe. But then again, Dr. Luke has a legal obligation to not rape or hurt anyone, even when it’s a young woman who’s been put under his creative and legal control.

Everyone gets asked, at some point in their working life, to do something they’re not comfortable doing. It’s their choice to do it or get a new job. Pop stars are no exception.

I was once asked to do some design work for Man City to promote their replica kits. I did it, but afterwards I just felt so dirty and cheap.

Back to the OP, I do think that as with a lot of things recently regarding equality (ladies with no clothes on advertising bike stuff anyone?) we do seem to have gone into reverse and be hurtling back towards 1973.

It’s disappointing, as a father, I guess I have male double standards about it. Glad LittleMissMC is into boybands rather than having these “empowered” female role models.

I remember Annie Lennox saying something similar a couple of years ago, maybe when Mylie Cyrus started twerking. Yes, this Annie Lennox.

Or maybe this one

Though you could go back to the 70s and see what Cher and Suzi Quatro were wearing.

gofasterstripes – Member
Sorry – did you not read the linked article? Here, let me quote it:

Commercially reasonable, yes. Contracts were signed. Kesha entered into a legal agreement with Sony and Kemosabe. But then again, Dr. Luke has a legal obligation to not rape or hurt anyone, even when it’s a young woman who’s been put under his creative and legal control.

Except the article fails to make the connection between Kesha claiming she was raped and an actual conviction – I have no particular reason to doubt her, but from a legal point of view I would expect something a bit more solid to get you out of a contract.

I guess those tops are quite small.

I’m just grateful the guy on the left isn’t wearing one 😯

Well, I shall say that I am speaking from my impressions not from a legal background. What I do think is, she’s being exploited.

“All I ever wanted was to be able to make music without being afraid, scared, or abused. This case has never been about a renegotiation of my record contract – it was never about getting a bigger, or a better deal. This is about being free from my abuser. I would be willing to work with Sony if they do the right thing and break all ties that bind me to my abuser.”

60s female pop singers could be easily categorized as folk virgin, or rock slut.

The music might have changed but not much else has.

Surely nobody thinks this is a recent thing?

I would say that the ‘sex-ification’ (for want of a better made up word) in pop music is definitely getting worse.

Yes, there were always people who pushed the boundary, but the video’s seem to be getting more extreme as time goes on.
I was watching a Rihanna video a couple of years ago that was verging on soft porn.
You look back at the titillating or controversial videos from the 70’s/80’s/90’s and in general they are a lot tamer than the ‘normal’ videos of today.

Most ‘pop’ music that I hear on Spotify etc. at the moment just seems to be about cars, bitches & how rich the artist is.

Yep, I’m getting old….

If it’s a marketing device pushed onto them then I do have more of a problem – that’s a society problem though as to why marketing using sex objects still works and not just in the music industry.

But they aren’t groups that appeal to boys. They’re selling to young girls. The same young girls that you can see in your local shopping centre wearing leggings/jeggings and showing plenty of flesh. This isn’t for the benefit of boys, but for their girl peers.

Needs sound

Do you really think it’s their free choice? Rather than something they are “forced” to do?

nowadays I would have thought that it is their choice even more than it might have ever been before.

Taylor Swift for example is in such a position of power that I can’t imagine anyone dictating what she should be wearing.

Christina Aguilera showed a lot of flesh for Dirrty and some others when she was already very established and her main selling attribute was not her looks but her voice.

Todays generation is all about self-image and looking good in selfies.

Even the young bloke doing our garden landscaping at the moment is buff (wifes opinion…) and tatooed up and goes down the gym after grafting all day just to keep those muscles in shape. Shame he wears his baseball cap backwards but at least his trousers aren’t worn gangsta-style.

Todays generation is all about self-image and looking good in selfies.

The young Miss Binners (8 and 12) were commenting the other day on the desire of the likes of Kim Kardashian to constantly get their baps/buns out and post it on the interweb. Their attitude was summed up nicely by the phrase:

“For gods sake put it away love”

My two nephews were chatting the other day about their “junk”. Whilst they’ve a lot of toys in their bedrooms, none of it I’d call junk.

But that wasn’t what they meant.

😕

1. if you’re looking for ‘artists’ on chattyman i think you’ll be waiting a very long time

2. honestly, if anyone thinks that 16 year old pop stars get to do what they like, they’re dreaming. There is a team of people telling what to wear, where to stand, when to pelvic thrust and when to smile. Mainly blokes double her age.

She might, if she really kicks up a fuss, be able to influence it, but the majority don’t.

It’s like that time when Johnathan Ross and Russell Brand got in trouble over those voicemails, and everyone said ‘how could the producer let this happen?’ The ‘producer’ is usually a 23 year old on about 18K a year, while a couple of famous multimillionaires can threaten to end their career just like that. In theory the producer should be able to say what goes out, just like in theory female popstars are free to wear what they like. In practice, the pressure of being shouted at by authority figures (ie your boss) and fear of losing a potential career tends to win out.

gofasterstripes – Member

Exploitation certainly happens, and not just in KPop

http://jezebel.com/how-we-failed-to-protect-kesha-1760142637

Oh Jeez, I’ve been following the whole “Free Kesha” thing because my FB news feed seems obsessed with it.

So many, very vocal famous faces and ‘influential’ bloggers are weeping in the streets for her, but she’s full of shit.

She’s 2 albums into a 5 album deal and she wants to get out of it because, shock of shocks she’s not making the money she now thinks she deserves and the people who manufactured Kesha the ‘artist’ aren’t going to change their mind and give her more.

So she tried to sue the head of her sub-label for sexual assault, none of the claims could be substantiated, so the court threw them out, it wasn’t a jury, it didn’t get that far, there wasn’t enough evidence to even start a case.

So the owner of the sub-label Sony, made an offer – she could complete the rest of her contract recording for them, and never, not once come in contact with Dr Luke, the man she accused of sexual assault, but not more money – not good enough.

Then she tried to sue them for hate crimes and claims she’s a slave, but another judge threw these claims out.

But they aren’t groups that appeal to boys. They’re selling to young girls. The same young girls that you can see in your local shopping centre wearing leggings/jeggings and showing plenty of flesh. This isn’t for the benefit of boys, but for their girl peers.

Hello, 1950s called, they want their gender stereotypes back.
If you’d done the full quote you’d have included the any gender bit.

Sex sells, whether it’s girls for boys, girls for girls or boys for boys. Whether it’s a fantasy relationship that’s for sale or an aspirational image.

What you should be asking is why it is wrong that young people, or older people for that matter, can’t wear what the hell they like without fear.

Note: That’s not free reign to support MTB Mankinis. Some things society just isn’t ready for.

Someone go and tell Iggy to put his top back on 🙂

I’m not sure whether girls using their bodies sell themselves is a feminist statement or undermining feminism tbh. The whole affair has been captured by all sides for their own agendas… we’re full of double standards and making judgments on how women dress. I’ve not heard anyone tell Iggy to dress more appropriately for his age 🙂

If I had a daughter I’d be doing my damndest to make sure she dressed how she wanted to dress and for her own objectives, and not to feel pressured to dress up OR down according to what someone else thought she should do… ie: if you’re going to use your body then be ready to deal with the judgement and attention that will come with it

Even the young bloke doing our garden landscaping at the moment is buff (wifes opinion…) and tattooed up and goes down the gym after grafting all day just to keep those muscles in shape.

Careful, I’ve seen lots of fly on the wall documentary style movies were landscapers, pool boys and the like have their wicked way with someone’s wife when the husbands at work. 😀