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  • Female Dr Who robs boys of role models
  • Premier Icon Philby
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59421259

    This was presented in Parliament by a Tory MP claiming having females in such roles has led to young men turning to crime. Who the hell selects these delusional individuals as Parliamentary candidates??

    There a thousands of potential role models for boys from their fathers to teachers, sports and pop stars, and actors. Surely Parliament has more important things to discuss.

    Premier Icon RobHilton
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    Was Maggie T one of his role models?

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    What little boy doesn’t want to grow up to be Sylvester McCoy?

    Premier Icon bsims
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    Does this mean that all criminals were female before women began to get these tv and film roles?

    Premier Icon sparksmcguff
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    @RobHilton 👍😂
    You stole my joke.

    Premier Icon tthew
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    Not sure why women can’t be positive role models for boys.

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    Who the hell selects these delusional individuals as Parliamentary candidates??

    Equally delusional local Tory Party members, who probably agree with him!

    Premier Icon nickc
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    What a snowflake, I mean how insecure to you have to be to think this is a “thing”

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    It’s true, all young males major life decisions are driven by the doctor’s they remember from their youth; Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy kept me on the straight and narrow. However Peter Davidson made me consider shoplifting and Colin Baker’s stint resulted in my taking up arson for a while.

    Of course there were other factors at play, the A-Team got me into nickel plated Kalashnikovs, Airwolf resulted in me constructing an advanced combat helicopter in my Dad’s shed, and Murder she wrote convinced me never to visit Maine…

    Oh and He-Man made me try to ride about on the cat for a bit…

    Premier Icon CountZero
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    What little boy doesn’t want to grow up to be Sylvester McCoy?

    Or Peter Davidson.
    Actually, forget that, I’ve just remembered who he was married to.
    As far as the MP’s concerned, he’s probably just embarrassed about his feelings for his nanny.

    I noticed he doesn’t say anything about rôle models for girls, though – except possibly Fanny Craddock.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    What greater male role model could there be than our Prime Minister?

    Premier Icon cookeaa
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    What greater male role model could there be than our Prime Minister?

    Ahem:

    *Stealth edit

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    “Son, when you grow up, consider how you interact with women at work, consider your closest relationships with women, consider your attitude to the truth, consider your attitude to public duty… if in doubt, ask yourself… ‘what would Boris Johnson do?’ …and do the opposite.”

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Ahem

    Boris johnson

    Premier Icon somafunk
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    I’m sure poor little incel wannabe Tim pool would agree

    Premier Icon timbog160
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    He did have some important points to make to be fair, like the fact that male suicide rates are three times that of females, and 96% of prison inmates are male. This got slightly lost in his bizarre logic around role models though, which was always likely to happen given the clickbait nature of his speech.

    Premier Icon chrismac
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    Not sure why women can’t be positive role models for boys.

    Not sure why men can’t be positive role models for girls. But you would be forgiven for thinking otherwise.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    We have men in very public positions of power everywhere. If they are setting a poor example, call them out. Don’t bemoan there being more women in big positive roles in TV and films these days (still fewer than men, but hey).

    Premier Icon chrismac
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    We have men in very public positions of power

    We have women too, Head of State, Home Secretary, most senior police officer in the country, Head of the NHS, past prime ministers,

    I have no problem with which gender they are, Im more interested in ability to do the job, not box ticking

    Premier Icon Aidy
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    Not sure why women can’t be positive role models for boys.

    At the risk of having all of the flames, the reverse argument that there aren’t enough female role models for girls has been used a *lot* by feminists.

    otoh, it’s not like there’s a shortage of other male characters in things. Just choose one of those as a role model rather than getting hung up on this one.

    Premier Icon funkmasterp
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    Dr Who is a pretty shit role model to be fair. Not an actual Dr (like that other ne’er do well Dr Pepper), his house is a fake version of an emergency service call point and despite having a time machine appears to **** things up a fair bit and never fixes them.

    I was a kid in the 80’s and can remember a couple of naff Doctors. The one with the curly hair and the one who looked like a cricket spectator who should be drinking Pimms. Probably explains my constant state of disappointment and disdain.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    We have women too

    We do indeed. An MP was bemoaning a lack of positive role models. The leader of his own party is a very visible leader of our country. Who is in a better position to set an example? More relevant than a Star Wars movie having a female lead. STOP THE PLANET – A FEMALE LEAD – IN A MOVIE AIMED AT KIDS – WHO CAN THE BOYS LOOK TO NOW – WHERE ARE ALL THE MEN! Oh, there’s one, in charge of the country.

    Premier Icon chrismac
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    Stupidity is not gender specific.

    Premier Icon timbog160
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    In any event I seem to remember Dr Who was actually a mass murderer on a grand scale – as I wiping out entire civilisations, hardly an ideal role model, whatever their gender!

    Disclaimer – my Whovian knowledge may not actually be that good…

    Premier Icon leffeboy
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    and Colin Baker’s stint resulted in my taking up arson for a while.

    i may have misread that first time round 🙁

    Playing devils advocate – and I’m sure this will fit well with the way I’m perceived on here.

    There is a culture these days of female empowerment, black empowerment, LGBT+ empowerment, which of course is no bad thing at all (as long as you aren’t ostracised for not being one of the aforementioned). However, this does seem to be coupled with being a straight, white, British male is inversely a bad thing to be.

    In fact, celebrities spouting off how embarrassed they are to be British (men) et al epitomises this, coupled with a cancel culture

    Young, white, British males might well feel that they are now the focus of subliminal persecution. Not sure why this would lead someone to turn to crime, but just a perspective that may be worth considering.

    I await the flames

    Premier Icon chestercopperpot
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    What?!?!

    Judas **** priest.

    Probably the best podcast I’ve heard from this man. Although he does his usual trick of pushing his agenda and attempts to put words in Theodore’s mouth, which he takes in his stride!

    Premier Icon cromolyolly
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    Wrong messenget, clumsy comparison but the underlying truth is that boys are doing less well at every level of school in western developed countries. They are underrepresented at every level of advanced education. They are less healthy, die earlier (which is changing as more women age throught the workforce). Etc. Etc.
    So yeah, maybe we should be paying a bit more attention if you have a son but also if you have a daughter, if you want her to have some choices for husband/life partner.

    Premier Icon dyna-ti
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    Boys are more likely to look at males as role models and girls are more likely to look at women for role models.

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    In fact, celebrities spouting off how embarrassed they are to be British

    Happens a lot on here, and I’m never sure if it’s posturing or just over sensitivity.

    Young, white, British males might well feel that they are now the focus of subliminal persecution.

    Only if its presented to them that way by older white males who should know better.

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    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    Well every day is a school day (I’m not a big Simpsons fan in my defence)

    Premier Icon kilo
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    Young, white, British males might well feel that they are now the focus of subliminal persecution

    Young, white, British males are “left behind “ because they’re poor not because non-whites, LGBT’s, women, whoever else the right want to label is doing them down. Ironically Young, white, British males are getting comprehensively shagged by old white British males on the right runnning the UK, but crack on looking for someone else to blame.

    Premier Icon CountZero
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    Ironically Young, white, British males are getting comprehensively shagged by old white British males on the right runnning the UK, but crack on looking for someone else to blame.

    I’m not entirely sure that I’d put it in quite those terms, but I understand what you’re getting at. I think.

    Premier Icon Poopscoop
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    I’m guessing said MP would hold up the PM as the perfect role model? Incredible stuff.

    Terrible context used by the MP for some actual problems society does need to face.

    Young, white, British males are “left behind “ because they’re poor not because non-whites, LGBT’s, women, whoever else the right want to label is doing them down. Ironically Young, white, British males are getting comprehensively shagged by old white British males on the right runnning the UK, but crack on looking for someone else to blame.

    What?

    Premier Icon Northwind
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    No war but the culture war.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    What?

    The irony of a Tory MP blaming the rise in gang violence when his governments austerity has closed over 1000 sure start centres, 1000 youth centres, seen child poverty and inequality increase dramatically…

    Blaming poor white kids for not understanding is nonsensical (much gang violence is carried out by non white Kuds for a start)

    Poverty is the problem here, it’s got nothing to do with who’s Dr who

    Premier Icon chestercopperpot
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    ^^^^Exactly.

    Unfortunately you know what the answer is going to be don’t you, the same answer they have trotted out before and voters lap up.

    That’s right moar stick, more police cos them streets ain’t safe anymore.

    Premier Icon PJM1974
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    It’s amazing that the MP in question skipped over the impact that the loss of 20,000 police, the systematic defunding of the Ministry of Justice, the closure of Sure Start centres, the widening generational wealth gap and has asserted that it’s the fault of Ghostbusters and the latest incarnation of time travelling weirdo who abducts people having one fewer penises than their predecessor.

    I do wonder if the voters in his constituency, who elected the wee daft Nick Fletcher MP with a majority of 3,650 votes might be experiencing buyers remorse?

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