‘New’ F1 car and not a murmur on here – the pre-season excitement isn’t building yet! 🤣

Don’t think we’ll see a proper spec car till the first race.

^^That is different from last seasons car though so there may be 2023 bits in it.

I thought Haas had just said it was a livery launch so just checked how it looked rather than searching for any 2023 clues. And as you say no teams will show any interesting developments until testing starts. That won’t stop the hordes scrutinising every “launch” image that gets released by every team though.

New’ F1 car and not a murmur on here

It’s a Haas, it’s just a paint job 😁

Red Bull livery launch on Friday might be of interest – widely rumoured Ford will be back.

Red Bull livery launch on Friday might be of interest

It wouldn’t get your hopes up, dumbed down 2022 car with slightly higher floor edges at best

– widely rumoured Ford will be back.

Currently sounds like adding some $$ and a sticker to the car. Hopefully a bit more than that, and some lessons were learned from the Jaguar shit show

Can someone explain this to me?

BBC News – Formula 1: Widespread concern after Mohammed Ben Sulayem controversies https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/64501890

Seems to me that certain parties in F1 object to Ben Sulayem (which may be valid but the complaints seem to be fairly trivial and muck-raking in nature) but F1 have no mandate over the FIA.
So, I’m not sure whether this is significant or it’s just a slow news day…?
Is there a good podcast or blog or something to provide more scope/context behind all the bickering?

Hes basically interfering with something he shouldnt, which is ruffling feathers.

Liberty own and operate F1
The FIA just set the regulations

I cant remember the number, but F1 provides the FIA with a high % of there overall total revenue, but do little in creating that value.

When it was the “Max & Bernie show” then two of them would work towards the success of F1, just usually in a “good cop/bad cop” type of approach, and turned F1 into what it is now.
Todt publicly just left F1 to it (in a typical Todt style he would have done lots in the background)

From my perspective it just seems like Ben Sulayem is out of his depth and causing hassle within F1, trying to dictate what should happen with little support from the teams.

F1 has no mandate over the FIA, but it’s the biggest and most influential series the FIA sanction, so he really doesn’t want to be pissing them off – the value of the series is hugely important to them, so he’s really pissed them off by saying it’s overpriced. Is there also an element ofconflict of interest, if he has ties to a potential buyer of F1?

Anyone watched Lucky!? Seems all right, although I still wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

Can someone explain this to me?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/64509697

So Ford are back… With a team as well as engine supplier to RB?

Nailed on with Red Bull – we’ll see in ten mins when they launch the 2023 2022 car! 🙂

So Ford are back… With a team as well as engine supplier to RB?

It’ll be a Red Bull engine with a Ford badge on it. The reason the Porsche deal fell through was that Red Bull refused to relinquish any control over the team. Ford will just be handing over money for the right to put stickers on the car.

The second team will be Alpha Tauri. No reason that couldn’t be rebadged as a Ford team or sold to them outright, but Ford won’t be starting a new team from scratch.

So ford come creeping back to f1 after not having much success with their last big involvement – whatever happened to the team they owned? 🙂 TBF their biggest claim to fame in F1 came from sticking their name on someone else’s engine, so maybe that’ll work again.

Bill Ford, the car manufacturer’s executive chair,

Coincidence or relation?

This is a painful watch….definitely for the ‘merican audience!

What an utter load of rollocks!

their biggest claim to fame in F1 came from sticking their name on someone else’s engine

TBF, the Ford-Cosworth collaboration worked really well. Building F1 engines needs a specialist department with its own facilities. Ford did an excellent job of branding with Cosworth, with high performance Fords using Cosworth developed engines. The Cosworth name just became associated with Ford performance cars, like AMG with Merc or Schnitzer with BMW. Merc initially used Ilmor to build its F1 engines, then took over the project. The Chevy Indycar engine is built by Ilmor. The Honda and Renault engines both got spun off into independent divisions (Mugen and Mecacrome/Supertec) and then taken back. Mugen is owned by the son of Soichiro Honda. Mechachrome built Renault engines right from the start, the only change was whether Renault was paying to put its name on the rocker covers.

How’s the Ford branding going to work with Red Bull using Honda engines still next year? They are still using a Honda engine aren’t they?

How’s the Ford branding going to work with Red Bull using Honda engines still next year? They are still using a Honda engine aren’t they?

It’s for 2026

LMAO @rOcKeTdOg

Sigh – Williams go for another ‘livery launch’ on last year’s car and the livery isn’t really that different to the 2022 car, just with added ‘Gulf’ stickers. Dullest pre-season ever so far.

TBH I think they’d get more media & fan interest in these if they ran a one off livery for the first test then did the full reveal of the 2023 look on the 2023 car between the test and the first race, though I expect logistics would make that tricky.

I see Horner’s off on one already, talking about everything bad about their “handicap” and how they are having to deal with it, and big ‘ol Mercedes and Ferrari will beat the up

Poor cheating bastards Red Bull.

Williams go for another ‘livery launch’ on last year’s car and the livery isn’t really that different to the 2022 car, just with added ‘Gulf’ stickers. Dullest pre-season ever so far.

I really don’t understand why people even bother to follow the launches. No team is going to show their real car until the first test, this is just a sponsor event to show off the stickers on a mock up of a generic car.

I see Horner’s off on one already, talking about everything bad about their “handicap” and how they are having to deal with it, and big ‘ol Mercedes and Ferrari will beat the up

It’ll be fun seeing Horner combust if Mercedes are a second a lap faster in the first test. And that they really did know where they had gone wrong with last years car!

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-significant-handicap-aero-testing/10428302/

And this seasons aero testing allocation…

Each team’s ATR limit for 2023 – and why Red Bull expect a “significant handicap”

No team is going to show their real car until the first test,

I’m not even sure you see the real car then. Merc didn’t show it’s no sidepod design until the second test

Round of applause for whoever came up with the Duracell logo placement.

They did that last season too! Seems no one noticed though! 🤣

So the “handicap” is actually an attempt to correct for their advantage gained by cheating? Not sure I’m feeling that sympathetic tbh

Slats!!!!!!!……

Yay – a different livery on a car that is visibly different to last year’s car.  Yes it will have some different bits on when it rolls out for testing, but it’s a start.

I thought the ‘blade’ roll hoops were  banned this year? After Zhou’s Silverstone crash.

Not banned, just a few extra design specs compared to 2022:

Why Alfa Romeo has kept its blade roll hoop on 2023 F1 car (motorsport.com)

That alfa looks amazingly cool from above

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Yay – a different livery on a car that is visibly different to last year’s car.  Yes it will have some different bits on when it rolls out for testing, but it’s a start.

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Ive never really seen the point of these launch events. They must cost a fortune to make a set of panels that wont ever see a track and paint it just to show briefly. I bet the only bits that stay the same are the wheels, steering wheel and seat

The show cars get trotted off all round the world for different events. Especially the sort of events where an F1 car might impress, but noone is looking too closely