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Any news from the stewards yet?

At their current decision making speed we may get a decision by sometime in 2023! 🤣🤣

Any news from the stewards yet?

There’s a lot of drivers to interview. Max is in there for “an alleged breach of Breach of Article 2 (d) Chapter IV Appendix L of the FIA International Sporting Code.

This says: “Causing a collision. Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car (such as leaving the track) will be reported to the Stewards and may entail the imposition of penalties up to and including the exclusion of any driver concerned.”

(From the BBC website)

Lewis is in there for “a discussion” which could be anything from an opportunity to give his point of view to a reprimand or a warning for his own driving.

Surely Lewis would’ve lost downforce while being brake tested which makes it easier to understand how he went into the back of Veerstappen (Best spelling mistake ever!!)

Helmet Marko is grumbling about Hamilton not being penalized According to Albert Fabrega

Horner is probably on hold for the Area Manager as I type.

Joking aside, both drivers on level points for next weekend bodes well. Dr/MrsPJM1974’s uncle Robert will be staying with us, he’s a massive fan of F1 so we’ll be watching the race in seven days.

From BBC

Posted at 20:4620:46
Post update
The stewards want to speak to Lewis Hamilton regarding his duel with title contender Max Verstappen.

I do wish they’d make an announcement – the wife wants to watch Dr Who.

Whatever the outcome of any stewards’ enquiries I think by walking off the podium, Max has proved that his “I don’t feel any stress, it doesn’t matter if I don’t win this year” stance is just garbage. Why not just say “yeah of course it’s stressful fighting for WDC” and seem more human…..IAMAF1D

Races like this I wonder what Charlie would have done. I like Massi but I think Charlie would have got a handle on things more quickly and with a firmer hand.

Michael Massi is not the only steward  https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-stewards-who-are-they-what-do-they-do-how-are-they-chosen-6500572/6500572/

Well what a mess that race was!

I have to say I think most of it comes from the stewards and the Brazil decision. Now Max feels he can drive how he wants and never get challenged for it.

Oh and I think this circuit needs some changes before next year.

Michael Massi is not the only a steward

He’s the race director. But he can report stuff to the stewards.

Seems a shame Bottas wasn’t within 5s of Verstappen, that way they could give Verstappen a 5s penalty to effectively take off 3 points. Then assuming they’re both in the top few places next race you’d still have the championship going to whichever beats the other without having to worry about who needs to be x places back, but without Verstappen having the mentality that he still wins if they take each other out. Not sure if there’s another way to do that.

Of course it shouldn’t work like that, they should just enforce the rules and penalties should be based on actions not consequences, but I think that principle went out of the window a while ago.

Michael Massi is not the only steward

He’s not a steward, he’s the race director, surely (and don’t call me Shirley)

Races like this I wonder what Charlie would have done. I like Massi but I think Charlie would have got a handle on things more quickly and with a firmer hand.

Absolutely. Charlie would’ve controlled this season in a much better way. There’s been too many nervous decisions by Massi this season.

Races like this I wonder what Charlie would have done. I like Massi but I think Charlie would have got a handle on things more quickly and with a firmer hand.

Same here

I don’t think race control had any control over the race today.

The teams don’t have the respect for Messi like they did for Charlie, and challenge him all the time. In these times he must be able to relay things simultaneously to the teams, rather then saying he can only push one button at a time.

There’s been too many nervous decisions by Massi this season

I think I probably agree but from what I understand in previous years you wouldn’t have had the (pathetic sounding) chat between teams and the race director

MV needs telling that he’s going to be dsq if there’s a collision between him and Hamilton in the next race.
Might calm him down a bit!

Both Hamilton and Verstappen have been summoned to the stewards for causing a collision. Hamilton isn’t just in there for a chat.

After a similar road accident in July that is still waiting to be resolved, I am going to call AXA in the morning to ask for their opinion of the incident.

You’ve always had the chatter. Team bosses were always checking in with Charlie. Difference being of Charlie told them to sod off and so being silly they did.

Also the chatter eye race control has only recently (this year?) started being broadcast

So glad Lewis got the win. MV should go to touring cars soon.

My fear is that there’s a very strong chance MV will take Lewis out in the final race.

I was going to ask earlier, I know it is only recent thing that we get to hear the teams talking to the race director, but is it just this year that it has become so obvious because of the contention, or has it just started this year.

From what they said on telly earlier, it’s only started being broadcast this year (and I think they should probably stop now)

(and I think they should probably stop now)

From a sporting point of view yes, but I suspect the commercial people are quite happy with all the public whining.

There was something Massi said on the radio, while mercedes were saying they hadn’t been told that Verstappen had been ordered to give the place up, that sounded like he had gone to speak to one or both teams in person. I did wonder if he’d want to do something like that to be able to tell them to just knock it off, in a manner that he might not have wanted broadcasting…

MV needs telling that he’s going to be dsq if there’s a collision between him and Hamilton in the next race.
Might calm him down a bit!

Might 😀

Wonder if the rules would let them DQ him for todays antics but suspend it for one race? They won’t obviously, wasn’t anywhere near bad enough, but that would leave it as winner takes all next week, but remove any incentive for MV to take LH out.

oh this page is gonna have a meltdown when they see the outcome…..

So the telemetry shows a brake application from Verstappen causing the collision and the penalty is effectively nothing?

With all the pit-to-car communication available, how come Hamilton wasn’t made aware that Verstappen had been told to let him past? That whole issue seems a bit random. Maybe the cars need to be fitted with indicators 🙂

Yup, not his fault Bottas was miles away

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With all the pit-to-car communication available, how come Hamilton wasn’t made aware that Verstappen had been told to let him past? That whole issue seems a bit random. Maybe the cars need to be fitted with indicators

Race control hadn’t told Mercedes yet, adding their own bit of spice to the overall mess

So he did brake test him. Which is a/ disgraceful, and b/ idiotic to think telemetry won’t show it up.

And makes Horner and Marko look like bellends for defending/denying it when one assumes the team would have had that data almost immediately.

Just had the news of the steward’s findings.

Absolute disgrace. Deliberately braking in the middle of a fast straight, causing a competitor to hit you and being found to have done so dangerously is dealt with by 10 second penalty and 2 points on your license? Any other series and that would have been a disqualification and a race ban.

Max and Red Bull are bringing the sport into disrepute and they don’t care. If they win either or both championships then they will be forever tainted. Massi and the stewards need to have a good, hard look at the precedents they are setting with these decisions as at some point it’s going to lead to a massive crash.

I’ll have to give it a lot of thought over the winter break whether this version of F1 is one I want to watch.

oh this page is gonna have a meltdown when they see the outcome…..

How right you are. Its really rather funny as well as predictable.

Both drivers level on points. If both crash out next weekend then by virtue of more wins, Max is WDC.

That ^^^ reprimand is an absolute pisstake. @reluctantjumper has nailed it in a much more eloquent manner than I can manage, hear hear 👏.

The cynic in me would be surprised if the WDC were decided upon a Verstappen DQ and Hamilton then waltzing to a win at Abu Dhabi, which would otherwise be stuffed with rich folk buying shit.

Good, the race report officially finds Max a cheat, correct result.

A 2.4g braketest according to the report!??!! :-O

Race control hadn’t told Mercedes yet, adding their own bit of spice to the overall mess

Jeez – what a cock-up. You’d surely think that penalties – especially that particular one – would be communicated to all teams/drivers simultaneously. I wonder if the stewards realise that culpability and have applied the penalty in respect of that.

A 2.4g braketest according to the report!??!! :-O

Is that correct? Was the brake pedal pressed or was it a lift off and aero drag deceleration? I genuinely haven’t seen the report BTW.

Good, the race report officially finds Max a cheat, correct result.

No it doesn’t.

Max went too far today. He needs to learn and get that extra maturity that sometimes it’s better to finish second and bank the points and he could’ve already been champion by now. And maybe without looking like an idiot.

It says in the report posted above. 69bar of pressure going through the brakes.

MV is dangerous. I’ve always thought so. I sincerely hope he’s never the cause of a serious or fatal accident but I’m worried it might happen.