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  • F1 2020 (spoilers abound)
  • Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    Be interesting to see what that Merc device does. They seem pretty bullish that it’s been cleared by the FIA.

    An apparently their car is dripping with innovations. Quite looking forward to seeing how the season shapes up.

    Premier Icon the-muffin-man
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    According to Kravitz Merc started work on this car in December ’18!

    Klunk
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    softest tyre lap from Bottas 1:15.732 (2/10ths off his pole lap last year)

    Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    softest tyre lap from Bottas 1:15.732 (2/10ths off his pole lap last year)

    Looking in the F1.com live timing that’s on the medium and 1.3 quicker than the next fastest (Ocon) who was running the soft.

    If that’s right then that’s mighty lap time and will have the others a bit worried I think.

    I get the feeling, given this is the end of an era Merc have done what Williams did with the FW14 and 15 and thrown everything at making the ultimate car of its era. Pushed every rule to the limit and pushed the tech too. Their rear suspension is particularly interesting and perhaps the real innovation ahead of DAS.

    Premier Icon pocpoc
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    That Bottas lap was on the Ultrasofts.

    Crazy to see that in 5 years they have improved the lap time by at least 7 seconds:
    g

    Klunk
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    barca poles

    2019 bottas 1:15.406
    2018 lewis 1:16.173
    2017 lewis 1:19.149
    2016 lewis 1:22.000
    2015 Britney 1:24.681

    Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    F1 have the Bottas lap on the mediums

    View post on imgur.com

    Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    @klunk. Have a bonus point for the correct reference to the 2016 WC 🙂

    Klunk
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    f1 tv are saying c5 (softest) for the bottas lap

    hols2
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    According to Kravitz Merc started work on this car in December ’18!

    I think Williams designed theirs in 2016. Glad they’ve finally got it running.

    Premier Icon oomidamon
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    I wouldn’t be suprised if the Merc steering trickery is there to distract from something else even tricker on their car. The rear suspension has already been noted, they could be running sometthing else, too.

    mashr
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    The only people they’d trick would be members of the public

    Premier Icon stevied
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    DAS – Dual-Axis Steering – the innovative system that changes the front wheel toe setting of the car invented by Mercedes will be outlawed in 2021.

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    Annnnd there goes Ferrari with Seb starting at the engine / gearbox.

    Klunk
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    they seem pretty bullish!

    Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    The middle third of that Merc is just bloody beautiful!

    Vettel backwards in a cloud of his own smoke again this morning.

    It just feels so satisfying to watch.

    Premier Icon thepurist
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    Vettel backwards in a cloud of his own smoke again this morning.

    He’s got to make sure he’s comfortable with car in all expected conditions 😉

    hols2
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    So Kubica isn’t as hopeless as he looked last year.

    Klunk
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    showing us the Bottas bog :/

    Klunk
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    crashstappen has binned it into the gravel. (trashing all the nice new bits fitted to the car) It does look a bit twitchy to drive.

    retro83
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    Klunk

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    crashstappen has binned it into the gravel. (trashing all the nice new bits fitted to the car) It does look a bit twitchy to drive.

    Looks like he got the opposite lock on but the car just had no grip on the rear axle

    Klunk
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    not good to do it with the big boss in the garage 😀

    retro83
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    I created us a new league on GridRival. God knows how you log in now on the web site, I used the app.

    Invite link to follow shortly:

    eta; their invite links don’t work either – i’ll email them and then post it when fixed.

    Klunk
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    finger boy loses it at the same corner, pebbledashing the circuit.

    wukfit
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    Just started watching series 2 of “Drive to survive”
    Think that’s my weekend gone

    PJM1974
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    A mixed bag so far, but here are my entirely throw away predictions for the first race weekend:

    * Podium for (T)Racing Point
    * Russell in the Williams to make it to Q2
    * Renault to finish ahead of McLaren

    New series of drive to survive is on Netflix today.
    amusingly lots of visibility of rich energy so far

    I lie, mr storey has appeared in episode 2

    retro83
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    Here’s the link for the site fantasy F1 league

    https://gridrival.app/join/7YWSKN

    You might need the app to make it work, I certainly can’t get the desktop site to work

    parkesie
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    Purple helmeted honey badger. In f1 commentary 😂😂😂

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    As per simondbarnes post above “Ferrari International Assistance”?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/formula1/51688538

    Teams want answers…

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    Clicky

    Non Ferrari powered teams formally object

    hols2
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    Non Ferrari powered teams formally object

    My guess about the Ferrari engine (based on a bunch of postings by F1 journos) is that the FIA couldn’t prove that whatever they were doing was technically illegal, but told them they have to stop doing it because it was contrary to the intent of the regulations. Hence Ferrari weren’t accused of cheating, but weren’t publicly cleared either. The agreement was because the FIA wanted Ferrari to explain exactly what they did (so they could monitor for it in the future), but Ferrari wouldn’t do that unless they had a written assurance that they would not be formally charged.

    As it stands, it looks very dubious, so Ferrari have been publicly embarrassed. I think the other teams just want to keep it in the news to keep the embarrassment level up for as long as possible. Nothing will come of it because the evidence that Ferrari provided won’t be eligible in court because of the agreement they signed, so nobody can actually prove that they were… ummm… not exactly abiding by the spirit of the rules.

    Premier Icon reluctantjumper
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    Pretty much my thoughts too.

    The big question that needs answering though is would any other team/engine supplier been treated differently? The fact that Todt is the FIA President while this has happened will not sit well with a lot of people. I know the standard joke is it stands for Ferrari International Assistance but surely with an ex-Ferrari Team Principle at the helm you’d think they’d do everything they could to prevent any favouritism accusations.

    It’ll run and run as a backstory for a while yet.

    mashr
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    Dunno if this answers any questions https://youtu.be/U0b7a9R3qSQ

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    I wonder how many teams are calculating the loss (in millions) that those “technically legal” engines cost them?

    hols2
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    I wonder how many teams are calculating the loss (in millions) that those “technically legal” engines cost them?

    One – Red Bull. There’s no way McLaren would have beaten Ferrari even if Ferrari had to lose whatever trick thing they were doing with their engine. Red Bull don’t care about the prize money, they will want this to stay in the news to embarrass Ferrari.

    retro83
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    I’m not sure on this “technically legal” thing…

    My understanding is that the engines were strongly suspected of violating the fuel flow rule which is worded as follows:

    “5.1.4 Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h” Pretty black and white.

    But Ferrari came up with with a way of defeating the sensor (for example by pulsing the fuel at times they know the sensor is not measuring) therefore the accusation could not be proved. Further fire was poured on the flames with LeClercs fuel inconsistency.

    It’s also clear their performance took a massive positive step change when they got it working and another when they had to stop using it.

    I mean look at how messy LeClerc’s quali lap was at Singapore. He had a few big oversteer moments yet still set a purple in S1 and took pole.

    hols2

    Red Bull don’t care about the prize money, they will want this to stay in the news to embarrass Ferrari.

    Maybe not their primary motivator but …
    Red Bull Sports Director Helmut Marko specifies: “We’ll lose a double-digit million amount if we finish third instead of second. Not only because more is paid out for second place. Our sponsorship contracts are also performance-based. I suppose it’s the same with the other teams.”

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