- F1 2019 (spoilers obviously)
Interesting that the three former F1 drivers on Sky’s coverage didn’t feel it was a penalty.
Also, it might have been a bit childish, but don’t we want to see some passion? It’s the same with all sports people, they get hammered in the media for being boring and then the moment they some some real emotion they get smashed for it. F1 fans treat Senna like a god, but he’s the guy that ran Prost off the road and punched Eddie Irvine post race just because he unlapped himself.Posted 1 month ago
Looks like the car was pivoting left when he twitched the wheel to the right (to correct). In fact you can pause it on a frame that shows 2 wheels were still off road when he turns to the right. Also doubt he had time to check his mirrors. Would be a super-human block if that was deliberate!Posted 1 month agothe-muffin-manMember
My opinion is he retained his first place by going off the circuit and re-joining in a questionable manner – I’m 50/50 on wether it was deliberate or not. I think he should have been made to give the position to Lewis and then at least he could battle to regain the lead.
Thing is, finger-boy couldn’t take the pressure again – he always loses it when pressured.Posted 1 month agoBikingcatastropheMember
Tricky one this. Watching it at the time it felt very much as though Vettel was doing a Schumacher – cocked up the race but making sure his rival wasn’t able to capitalise. Appreciate that it was a difficult situation but once he starts saying he wasn’t sure of where Lewis was makes me think he deliberately made the most of the mistake and ensured that Lewis couldn’t get past. He knew exactly where Lewis was as he had been right up his chuff for most of the race and less than a second behind him for several laps before the incident. Rather than a penalty I think he should have been made to give up the track position to Lewis and then let them play out the rest of the race. It will feel harsh but there’s also no need to be as petulant as he was. Leclerc, considering what he went through in the previous races has demonstrated better sportsmanship – Vettel could learn a thing or two from himPosted 1 month agoRich_sSubscriber
There was a Top Gear interview years ago with Jenson Button where he talked about his championship winning race. Might have been Brazil. Anyway, he went round someone into turn 1 left hand and knew they’d try coming back at him into turn 2 right hand, so he explained how he’d slid the back of his car so that the other guy had to back off.
JC was pretty incredulous but it serves to give an idea of what these guys are capable of. Vettel must have known where Hamilton would be, and therefore rejoined badly, and therefore… etc.
A shame Leclerc wasn’t a bit closer, eh? Or was he also told to save tyres, etc etc?Posted 1 month agosockpuppetSubscriber
Vettel’s rejoined the track as best he could, I’m no fan of his but I’m not sure what else he could have done under the circumstances, his car was bound to slide to the right a bit. Very harsh descion IMHO.
It may be the case that vettel joined the only way he could. That doesn’t mean it isn’t worth a penalty, if that’s what is laid down in the regulations.
FWIW it looks to me like he used all the road, on purpose. No issue with that, but he did block Lewis, as a result of his own mistake. And the book says that rejoin was not ok.
Not a satisfying way for it to turn out, but in line with the rules as written.Posted 1 month agonickjbMember
What do the rules say?
From the BBC:
A number of F1 regulations apply to this sort of incident. One says: “Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage.”
The question here being, did Vettel gain a lasting advantage by doing what he did?
Another says: “Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited.”
And another: “It is not permitted to drive any car unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time.”
Response from Hamilton too. Says it was a penalty but he would’ve probably done the same thing: “What I can say is, if I was in the lead and made a mistake and went wide, I would probably have done the same thing, because it happened so quick and you are just trying to hold your position.”Posted 1 month ago
Emotively, I agree with what Seb did, keeping his foot in it (Lewis said he would have done the same), to keep racing and maintain position, that’s what makes it a knife edge fight and worth watching. I also agree with the Stewards decision; They adhered to the rules and applied them fairly. As such, Toto was right, If we want harder, better racing, the rules/application must change FIRST.Posted 1 month ago
At Montreal they could easily have one at the hairpin.
Was thinking of the hairpin as soon as i started reading your post! Wouldn’t even need new tarmac, just a marked lane around the outside (ala the power boost in FE)
They adhered to the rules and applied them fairly.
Did they though? Of the rules above it’s the second and third ones that would have to apply, which is saying he deliberately blocked…… which isn’t 100% clear (to me, and Ferrari by the sound of it, anyway). The first rule couldn’t really stick as even if he’d slammed on the brakes he still would’ve rejoined the trackPosted 1 month agotomhowardSubscriber
As someone who has played Gran Turismo Sport online, I fully feel Vettel’s pain…
I’m of the opinion that awarding the penalty was right, but too harsh. They should have made him yield to Lewis, as they would have If he’d have run over a tarmac runoff and not lost a place. That way we’d still have a chance of a race/more overtakes.Posted 1 month agohols2Member
Vettel can be a prize dick and I’m not a Ferrari fan, but I think it was just a racing incident under considerable pressure, not a deliberate foul by Vettel. Problem is, if the stewards find that there was an offence, they are required to apply a penalty, with a 5 second penalty the most lenient available. So, yes, Vettel did offend, but the penalty took any drama out of the race finish and the stewards were powerless to apply something a bit more commonsensical that would have kept the race alive. IMO, it’s the inflexibility that is the problem, not the penalty itself.Posted 1 month ago
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