EU Referendum – are you in or out?
The technology to have this kind of border control, on this scale doesn’t actually exist yet, but given the government’s previously superb record on delivering groundbreaking, innovative large-scale IT schemes, on time and on budget, I can’t see why this all won’t be in place in a year or soPosted 6 months ago
There was an interesting piece on Newsnight several months ago – I thought at the time, wow that’s smart and could have much wider use. And much, much better than sitting around moaning too – a practical solution to what appears to be an intractable problem. Progress in the wider sense of the word.
It’s good this – we get to see smart people moving forward, bring solutions rather than those who dig their heels in and merely point out problems. Just the kind of people I like to employ (the former tbc!)Posted 6 months agowilburtMember
THM what youre say is what the politicians are saying. Its just words nothing specific. The general proposal as good as I can see is to allow small local traders free access and large traders to pre book items online.
That clearly wont work because a) you’ll still need to check stuff occasionally. b) other non EU countries would want the same freedoms. c) its wide open to abuse.
Dont forget this is an EU border so has to satisfy EU standards. We cant say what it does and doesnt check.
At the moment Davis reminds me of a few chancer managers I’ve worked with over the years. Their general approach is to keep saying positive stuff and hope for the best. Thats ok when the stakes are limited but not in these circumstances.
The EU wants this border and citizens rights considered first because its putting people first whilst the UK is focusing almost entirely(without much success) on the interests of corporations.Posted 6 months agokimbersSubscriber
Technology means technology
red, white & blue technology
strong & stable technology
maybe it means robots
we could have a robo-border!
youd have to also track everything that comes in eire, which is going to place a big burden on Ireland, who wont be happy
maybe the plan is to stretch the transition out for 10 years or so until the demographics have shifted enough that eire can be united and the UK can ditch the NI problem entirely!Posted 6 months agoaracerSubscriberTeam Hurtmore wrote:
The Irish border is interesting given that it is a problem without an obvious solution*, other than a sensible application of
technologyfairies which could have wider benefits
You might as well write that until you can provide us with more details – it’s about that level in your head I presume (hint: some of us here work in technology/IT, and we’re probably the most sceptical)
* why do we think the EU are insisting on placing this ahead of other issues in the scheduling
Because it’s the most difficult and most important problem.Posted 6 months agozippykonaSubscriber
But what about the 70 million turks camped on the border waiting to rush across to claim their free houses?Posted 6 months ago
Of course the EU might build a big **** off wall to keep us out.
It’s all very well The Zombie Maygot saying what she wants but ultimately it’s up to the Mainlanders what they want to give us.
Personally I think the EU army should invade to save us EU citizens in peril.
More seriously, on your comment THM on why start with the Irish border – I’d assume one would struggle to have sensible trade talks without defining first where you are trading from and to, and defining how open that border is is part of that surely.Posted 6 months ago
How do you do talks about UK-EU trade when everyone is wondering what happens if you can just bypass customs by shipping via Ireland?jambalayaSubscriber
Looks very much like the Germans are pushing for a delay in Brexit talks and predictably (for me) a much bigger direct role. With their elections in September they will not form a Government till a month later – so nothing much of substance can be agreed. Headline quotes from politicians there about needing to avoid WTO – trust in the Commission to deliver is fading. Schwable’s ultra pro EU stance and campaign has faded from being tied with Merkel to now dropping back substantially as she reinforces a move “rightwards”
The EU Commission is about self preservation. The Germans are much more pragmatic. WTO on cars could see a 24% swing in pricing German vs Japanese cars if (when) we agree tariff free deal with Japan focusing on Hybrids ? Germany is looking to bypass EU stubborness IMO
Another great example of ridiculous tariffs emerged as imports to the EU of tinned peaches are taxed at 75% to protect Italian growers. We don’t care as we don’t grow them, we can agree much lower tariffs outside the EU, support developing nations for example.Posted 6 months agodovebikerMember
On the ‘technology’ angle, my mate’s wife is director of an IT company that does a lot of this type of government work – if there even was the remotest chance of a clearly-defined requirement, manageable technological risk, a reasonable budget, a workable contract and sufficiently skilled workforce to deliver this, it’s still a massive ask to have this by 2020. Some IT companies are downsizing their UK operations in the face of dwindling work.Posted 6 months agocodybrennanMember
dovebiker – Member
On the ‘technology’ angle, my mate’s wife is director of an IT company that does a lot of this type of government work – if there even was the remotest chance of a clearly-defined requirement, manageable technological risk, a reasonable budget, a workable contract and sufficiently skilled workforce to deliver this, it’s still a massive ask to have this by 2020. Some IT companies are downsizing their UK operations in the face of dwindling work.
I’ll take it further- I design these services for customers where digital manifests are presented from moving objects (vehicles) as they cross boundaries, and the lead time for even smaller-scale deployments is considerable.
We build in, with the customers understanding, long lead times for testing. Radio is just like that. Think of the telepeage systems in France- the vehicles have to be almost stationary and very close to sensors for the system to work, unless ANPR is used, and there’s no cross-Europe system for that.
2020 would be well beyond ambitious. And then there’s the question of: who pays? In the absence of Europe-wide ANPR, every vehicle crossing in and out would need a declaration device where the manifest is transferred over radio to a receiver. One of these in every vehicle? Costly.
And then there’s the logistics of the backhaul network deployment. Coincidentally, I’ve been deploying a network recently that straddles NI and Eire, and the border area alone is very hard to cover.Posted 6 months ago
f border control, on this scale doesn’t actually exist yet, but given the government’s previously superb record on delivering groundbreaking, innovative large-scale IT schemes, on time and on budget, I can’t see why this all won’t be in place in a year or s
Indeed it is a major problem and to repeat no surprise that EU use it as a delaying tactic.
Public sector delivery on iT – poor agreed
Does Davis known the answer – v much doubt it
DO I – certainly not
The known, knowns ^
Do we need a soft option – of course
WIll it involve a tech solution as trailed in Europe – most probably
ETA for delivery – who knows p, but not 2019
The known unknowns
Niw, let’s find a solution because the issue isn’t going away.Posted 6 months ago
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