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  • Premier Icon jambalaya
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    @kimbers well the election car crash was dreamt up by a few bods who are now long gone. May’s mistake was not consulting the party in particular on the manifesto. The “current bunch” will not make the same mistake again.

    TMH I have little doubt the EU are “pretending” hence my long held view our focus should be on new global arrangements. The EU can play catch up later if and when they are ready. My own view is the arguing over the future pay/receive numbers from the EU27 bdget will take up far more of their time than Brexit.

    Just read this, all very sensible

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/637748/Future_customs_arrangements_-_a_future_partnership_paper.pdf

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    kimbers well the election car crash was dreamt up by a few bods who are now long gone.

    You can actually watch a video of Captain Clueless admitting he was the genius behind it and he still thinks it was a good idea 😯

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-apologise-theresa-may-election-andrew-marr-a7806901.html

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Yup downloaded the gov document 2nd page is on about free & frictionless …..

    Empty soundbites for the empty-headed.
    If only they’d be honest with us.

    Are we sure that they got rid of the slogan writers from their election landslide?

    Premier Icon oldnpastit
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    Just read this, all very sensible

    It isn’t really though.

    Reading that report, it seems to have huge gaping holes in it. And I know nothing about customs.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Asked how a seamless border between Ireland and Northern Ireland will work, a government minister this morning said that they are looking at ‘a high tech IT solution’

    Brilliant!

    So, as always, we can look forward to a massively complex new government IT system covering all vehicles, produce, people and goods that have to cross the border being in place, fully functioning, on time, and for a modest budget, within the next 18 months?

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    This new non NI border is going to be amazing, it’s basically going to be a completely unmonitored entry point between the EU/UK !

    Why are they bullshitting again? The only way you could conceivably do that is to enforce a border round the whole of Ireland.

    It’s one or the other, yet still the brexies persist with their fantasies

    So, as always, we can look forward to a massively complex new government IT

    Like the one we are developing that’s already been flagged as being behind schedule & over budget, BEFORE it was decided to re-task it as the magical answer to brexishambles…?

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    Ahhhhh I wasn’t aware that Davis had enlisted the help of the Fae Folk

    If he’d just said this up front !

    http://newsthump.com/2017/08/16/uk-brexit-paper-proposes-magic-irish-border-staffed-by-fairies/

    jimjam
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    binners – Member

    Asked how a seamless border between Ireland and Northern Ireland will work, a government minister this morning said that they are looking at ‘a high tech IT solution’

    High tec IT solution that’s immune to low tech like hammers I assume.

    Premier Icon mikewsmith
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    All those at the back not keep quiet, it’s all been thought of and you are just not ready for the info yet.
    We also won’t need to worry as all the rest of the EU will collapse into the sea shortly under the weight of all it’s bureaucracy and debt which will mean Britannia will have more waves to rule.

    Premier Icon igm
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    If the resultant tsunami doesn’t seeep the country clean first.

    Premier Icon binners
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    Theresa Villiers – former Northern Ireland secretary and hardline Brexiteer has just been interviewed on Five Live about how exactly this is going to work

    Her answer – and I’m paraphrasing slightly here – was ‘It’ll all be fine. Trust us. We’ll use, like, really really clever new whizzy IT systems and stuff. Don’t you worry your pretty little heads over it”

    So there you go. All sorted!

    Premier Icon aracer
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    binners wrote:

    Asked how a seamless border between Ireland and Northern Ireland will work, a government minister this morning said that they are looking at ‘a high tech IT solution’

    I suspect the only thing Brexiteers have less of a clue about than how to solve the problems of Brexit is IT systems. I can only assume they did just copy the idea from Newsthump but replaced “fairies” with “IT system”, because it’s about that level of logical thinking.

    Premier Icon binners
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    When this has just been discussed on 5 Live, EU experts asked for comment on the UK’s position yesterday and today keep using one word repeatedly….

    ‘Fantasy’

    One comment said ‘having your cake, eating it, then telling the EU to get you some more cake

    You’d hope that as the cliff edge drifts ever closer that a dose of reality might intrude into the ludicrous la la land of Fox, Davis et al

    Ah yes,Britannia waiting for the EU to waive the rules for her..

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    I suspect the only thing Brexiteers have less of a clue about than how to solve the problems of Brexit is IT systems.

    He knows enough – they should just use Macs. Sorted.

    Premier Icon jambalaya
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    More great economic news today. Rather than the 500,000 (“at least”) job losses predicted by Project Fear the UK has created 157,000 since referedndum and unemployment is down yet again to just 4.4%. Exports have grown 11.4% since June 2016.

    #DespiteBrexit

    Premier Icon salad_dodger
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    #NotLeftYet

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Yes, not left yet Jam. Did you think the 500,000 would happen all at once?

    I hope you’re right and I’m wrong.

    mrmo
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    Why are they bullshitting again? The only way you could conceivably do that is to enforce a border round the whole of Ireland.

    DUP haven’t been told yet, but the Tories are going for a united Ireland, solves the border issue and any fallout is someone else’s problem.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    ahh some whataboutery now that brexit is becoming a technical discussion to which brexies have no actual advice to offer….

    El-bent
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    So Euratom, Chlorinated Chicken and now hard IT borders. We are still in the two 2mm tip of that Iceberg I was talking about.

    More great economic news today.

    News not from Fantasy Brexit land…

    mrlebowski
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    More great economic news today. Rather than the 500,000 (“at least”) job losses predicted by Project Fear the UK has created 157,000 since referedndum and unemployment is down yet again to just 4.4%. Exports have grown 11.4% since June 2016.
    #DespiteBrexit

    & delibrately missing one key piece of information.

    Because we are cheap & are currently perceived as being good value.

    F knows what will happen when Brexit (if) actually happens.

    But hey, keep drinking the kool aid & keep on telling only the side of the story that fits your fantasy…

    Premier Icon binners
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    The more this shambles rolls on, the more I’m starting to give some credibility to the idea that they are deliberately trying to engineer a cliff edge, and a catastrophic exit from the EU. I do actually think that this lot believe all the Ayn Rand bollocks about creative chaos, and the principle of Disaster Capitalism

    I really think these lunatics are truly unhinged enough to deliberately instigate an absolute economic meltdown (insulated as them and their mates are from the real world effects) so they can then hold up their hands and say ‘but we have absolutely no alternative but to privatise the NHS/rip up workers rights/totally dismantle the welfare state/give away absolutely every state asset to their mates/insert other Tory wet dream of choice.

    I mean, seriously….. its surely getting to the point that even these people can’t be so unbelievably, mind-blowingly stupid, right? They have to be doing this on purpose?

    tjagain
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    They are that stupid but not in that way

    They know leaving the EU is the only way to get sweatshop britain – their aim. They simply don’t care about the chaos its going to cause. I think its beginning to dawn on a few hence this wishlist from fantasy land which is just laughable.

    When will there be an outbreak of sense in our body politic? 500+ mps were remainers when asked pre referendum. they can’t all be as dim as Davie and co and must see the damage being done

    mrmo
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/uk-faces-2bn-fine-over-chinese-imports-scam-say-eu-anti-fraud-investigators

    So the UK wants a relaxation of third party customs when outside the EU but can’t follow the rules when inside the custom union.

    mefty
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    Once you follow what actually happens, rather than what “sources say”, everything is following through from the plan laid out in the Lancaster House speech. All perfectly sensible stuff.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    everything is following through from the plan laid out in the Lancaster House speech. All perfectly sensible stuff.

    including the election landslide?

    the customs union papers are far from sensible so far, just wishful thinking !

    It wasnt ‘sources’ that said scheduling would be the row of the summer (davis 3weeks b4 humbly agreeing EU schedule without a whimper)

    Or Johnson agreeing the EU could go whistle days before the gov released a statement saying theyd pay a divorce bill

    or Liam Fox saying on Marr last December that a transition deal couldnt be similar to EU membership (until he released his joint statement with hammond last week)

    its all going swimmingly!

    Just the usual lies to the public while they do something different the Brexiter MO !

    mefty
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    its all going swimmingly!

    Indeed, so rare I agree with you.

    TurnerGuy
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    They know leaving the EU is the only way to get sweatshop britain – their aim.

    and yet Corbyn also wants to leave the EU completely – and has implied that the continual supply of cheap labour from the EU has negatively affected workers conditions in the UK.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    indeed, so rare I agree with you.

    I knew Id win you round eventually!

    Premier Icon binners
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    When will there be an outbreak of sense in our body politic? 500+ mps were remainers when asked pre referendum. they can’t all be as dim as Davie and co and must see the damage being done

    I’m living in hope that it’s just a case of giving the clowns enough rope

    wilburt
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    How can Southern Ireland collect the EU tariffs on goods entering the union without having a border with Northern Ireland?

    Premier Icon binners
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    They can’t. It’s all completely ridiculous pie in the sky nonsense.

    Expect more of it today regarding Freedom of Movement

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    How can Southern Ireland collect the EU tariffs on goods entering the union without having a border with Northern Ireland?

    Fairies with computers apparently.

    Premier Icon igm
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    Leprechauns surely – or is that stereotyping?

    Premier Icon kilo
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    Leprechauns are ideal post-brexit frontier control staff being the son of an “evil spirit”.

    Not sure the Presbyterian church would allow them the jobs though.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    wilburt – Member
    How can Southern Ireland collect the EU tariffs on goods entering the union without having a border with Northern Ireland

    The UKs Ireland customs proposal seems to fall apart on this, unless you put a hard border between NI & rUK how can u know what or who is entering/leaving the UK if there no border between NI & Eire?

    The are to be no border posts, no cameras? no customs checks, just ‘technology’

    Not a single Brexitee has a response to this.

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    mefty – Member
    Once you follow what actually happens, rather than what “sources say”, everything is following through from the plan laid out in the Lancaster House speech. All perfectly sensible stuff.

    POSTED 11 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST

    Indeed, and which requires sensible interpretation….

    The Irish border is interesting given that it is a problem without an obvious solution*, other than a sensible application of technology which could have wider benefits – hey, a win, win? More potentially sensible stuff. It’s good this isn’t it?

    * why do we think the EU are insisting on placing this ahead of other issues in the scheduling, because they want to avoid/delay negotiating as long as possible. Read Varoufakis…..

    Premier Icon martinhutch
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    You cannot have even some kind of magic mostly-trust-based border between two major European trading nations/blocs without an element of checks and enforcement at every crossing. That means at least the infrastructure of a hard border even if you’re just waving through all but the occasional lorryload.

    Either the UK has to suck up freedom of movement in return for tariff-free trade or have a proper border everywhere.

    The economic and social downsides for the ROI and NI are scarcely more than the rest of us will experience, the only difference is that if you look at the border there you can actually physically see what is being lost when we cut ourselves off from our closest trading partners.

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