And interestingly, it was coined by the No campaign to describe their own tactics.

I have a feeling they were taking the piss when they said that. The arguments were largely similar to those against leaving the EU with the big issue being that of a hard border had one side not been in the EU. Of course the side may have changed but the point hasn’t. All dismissed out of hand, sunny Highlands etc.

I can only hope that should a second Indyref come round some stark lessons about realism and honesty have been learned from this farce.

whats the entire market worth? you’ve quoted EU numbers in percent, and the others in pounds. i’m guessing the EU value is a some more lots twelfty substantially more than the other markets?

The site says EU market for cheese export is £146m of a total of approx £175m (using my sums of percentages). The thing is it shows how lagging in quantity our exports are outside the EU. The Brexiteers talk up the prospects of other markets, but can they really match up to the export market the EU provides not just for cheese? I cant see the rest of the world stepping up to the plate to take on our current exports if we get no deal with the EU.

Dairy is a funny one though, lots of protectionism in North America, in Canada the plasticine they call cheese is extremely expensive

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Dairy is a funny one though, lots of protectionism in North America, in Canada the plasticine they call cheese is extremely expensive

I was also reading with regard to travel distances/times in relation to pasturised and unpasturised products and the potential effect upon public health.

^^ Sorry going ot here… But isn’t the “odd” taste of Hershey chocolate something to do with a certain ingredient having to be added/process changed or such due to the distance the milk has to travel to the factories etc. in the US?

Sorry, too lazy to Google.

All I know is it tastes like cack.

So, who will buy our cheese?

So, who will buy our cheese?

Us I suppose. Cheddar based menu options at Wetherspoons.

The US cheese industry has come a long way in recent years, especially with a recent overseas supreme champion at the international cheese awards in nantwich. To call it liquid plastic etc is disingenuous and unfair to some US producers of quality product. Theres plenty of substandard product produced in the UK and Europe too. Worrying times for us at the moment. Most of the trading earlier in the year will have been stockpiling, but as a whole were fast running out of storage space. We increased our purchase of commodity dairy (mild cheddar, butter) considerably to accommodate for any shortages. We can keep and control its maturation for a good period if time. Not all producers have the envious luxury of lots of storage space. FWIW I wouldn’t put Reblochon on a butty 😉

FYI I have 15 years experience in import, export, trading and grading cheese.

The big problem we also have at the moment is a shift in consumer demand away from traditional territorial such as cheddar, lancashire, comte to soft cheese with a much shorter shelf life, leading to prolonged storage issues. Unlike hard cheese.

We’re also lucky that we’re pasture to plate and have out own supply chain, water supply, electricity generation, waste disposal etc. As we rely on as few contractors as possible. Not many others in such a fortunate position.

The problem with commodity cheese such as cheddar is its controlled by EU and worldwide market prices rather than just UK, so even if we made it all ourselves in the UK price will still be affected. Same for lamb supplied into M & S as I’ve been told by 1 local Bowland farmer.

So, who will buy our cheese?

I’ll do my best, but can’t promise to manage all of the excess.

The site says EU market for cheese export is £146m of a total of approx £175m (using my sums of percentages). The thing is it shows how lagging in quantity our exports are outside the EU

I also know that a lot of our exports to the EU, then go outside the EU, to the far east, US etc. As I’ve had to arrange the veterinary certificates for the receiving country. We don’t handle the export ourselves due to the quantities involved. The orders are consolidated with more product from an EU Wholesaler or manufacturer or broker.

Dairy is a funny one though, lots of protectionism in North America, in Canada the plasticine they call cheese is extremely expensive

It’s not all about protectionism, due to the shelf life on the products that they would like it’s not always viable, hard cheese isn’t a problem, soft cheese on the other hand has a much shorter shelf life and doesn’t travel well, particularly over long distances on long journeys. Raw milk cheese in the US for example has to be aged for at least 60 days before it can be sold which rules out a good deal of our smaller producers for example. 60 day old up brie or camembert (even british stuff) can be a bit grim, not only that it’s high risk being soft cheese let alone raw milk. The aw is too high to control pathogens unlike a hard cheddar type for example.

So distance matters when it comes to exporting/importing some dairy products still? We can’t just swap a huge trading block on our doorstep for other disparate and distant counties, at volume?

The US cheese industry has come a long way in recent years, especially with a recent overseas supreme champion at the international cheese awards in nantwich.

The issue isn’t that they can’t produce good cheese, it’s that most people don’t buy it cos it’s expensive and their normal expectations of cheese don’t extend beyond a slimy orange square. If something in a restaurant includes cheese it’s usually just that.

But that’s off topic!

This is what we’re up against. They actually believe this.

What’s the story behind that? I mean, the narrative is obviously bollocks, but if that stuff is actually on shelves somewhere…? Is it supposed to be a joke / novelty shop or some such?

What’s the story behind that? I mean, the narrative is obviously bollocks, but if that stuff is actually on shelves somewhere…? Is it supposed to be a joke / novelty shop or some such?

If you Google “Hitler wine” it seems like there is an Italian wine maker that makes these bottles with the Hitler labels.

Which ties up with the video because it’s clearly not it Belgium and has a German voice over saying something like “let’s see what’s in this Italian supermarket”

Oh yeah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vini_Lunardelli

Cheers.

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What’s the story behind that? I mean, the narrative is obviously bollocks, but if that stuff is actually on shelves somewhere…? Is it supposed to be a joke / novelty shop or some such?

If you Google “Hitler wine” it seems like there is an Italian wine maker that makes these bottles with the Hitler labels.

Which ties up with the video because it’s clearly not it Belgium and has a German voice over saying something like “let’s see what’s in this Italian supermarket”

Someone bought my mum a bottle of Fuhrer wine years ago and I’ve now inherited it!

It’s been available for years, doubt it’s very nice, just a weird, distasteful novelty!

Surely no one would watch that video and believe it to be anything more than tacky novelty wine!!?

We bought one of our very efficient staff a Mussolini apron when we were in Rome.

Cheese is like fish, a detail. No deal means losing the banking passport as I understand it. Now you’re talking about several percentage points of GDP loss.

In full ironic glory the liar who posted the video of a supermarket in Italy selling questionable Italian product, in a Brexit supporters group, is apparently enjoying the benefits of freedom of movement to live and work in Spain.

Thick.

Well, I never saw this coming.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/cameron-truly-sorry-for-division-that-followed-brexit-1.4018426

(And in completely coincidental and totally unrelated news, he’s about to publish a book.)

Unfortunately ‘sorry’ doesn’t really cut it for me…

Having said that hopefully his book launch will damage Gove and Bojo although revealing that they are lying bastards doesn’t seem to be much of a revelation and their supporters don’t seem bothered. ‘Ends justifies the means’ and all that.

I’m not convinced it’s an election winner, but the Lib Dem revoke policy will win them my vote.

BBC News – Liberal Democrat party to consider scrapping Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800

To be fair, that’s always been the lib dem aim, they may settle for for a ref2, but the narrative has always been clear, it’s with a view to stop brexit.

At least one major party is transparent on thier intentions.

Actually the lib dems keep on changing their position – and this is stupid posturing that makes it harder to get a unified front against no deal.

More stupidity from Swinson – the dunning kruger is strong in this one

Actually the lib dems keep on changing their position – and this is stupid posturing that makes it harder to get a unified front against no deal.

More stupidity from Swinson – the dunning kruger is strong in this one

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, they’ve always been vocaly anti brexit.
Thier slogan is ‘bollocks to brexit” for gods sake lol..
Perhaps you should look at the Labour Party for better examples of empty posturing, fence sitting and changes of stance?

The LibDem members have already voted once before at conference to stop Brexit (rather than just keep a referendum on the table, and get a different Brexit, or whatever) so I’m pretty sure she’s pushing against an open door. Of course their position will be squashed to a compromise of holding a referendum, as they will not got a majority… but, standing on this policy, they could then use their share of the vote to argue for that to be ASAP, rather than more can kicking while a new government tries to chase fresh unicorns…

Anyway, good to see Paul Mason making the case for Labour to let members push past the Corbyn/Unions position recently cooked up… check out his Twitter feed… I won’t clog the this thread up with a load of cut’n’paste here…

A link to the post / account you’re referencing might be helpful though?

The lib dems have also lost some members by accepting exiled tory and Labour racists and sexists into membership.
a few key LBGT members have quit the party because of Jo Swinsons more centrist than Liberal stance.

And, as covered elsewhere, there’s a LibDem/Tory pact being considered in Scotland on a “stop the SNP” ticket.

I’m guessing that Swinson isn’t volunteering to step aside for her Tory rival.

A link to the post…

Days after union leaders try to bounce Labour into pointless "jobs first Brexit" Unicorn negotiations, 60+ CLPs say loud and clear: we want a referendum in which Labour backs Remain… this is how we win the snap election 1/~ https://t.co/qghaYhjvdV

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) September 13, 2019

In his Twitter feed you’ll also find lots of the LibDem/Tory pact nonsense (he’s Labour to his core don’t forget). I wonder why the Scottish Tories, about to be wiped out at the next election, would want to be briefing the press in a way that damages the LibDems… who stand to do well from the “unionist but not bonkers anti Europe” vote that is still so strong in Scotland…?

And, as covered elsewhere, there’s a LibDem/Tory pact being considered in Scotland on a “stop the SNP” ticket.

Which, given their incompatible stances on Brexit sounds like bull of the highest order.

Given we had a labour / tory anti snp non aggression pact at the last general election that resulted in a dozen tory seats that kept the tories in government?

The sight of labour activists cheering tory wins was disgusting

There is also the labour party grouping – not corbynits by any means – led by Kinnoch that want Mays deal and are actively seeking a cross party deal with the tories on this.

Its not corbyn and the left thats the issue in labour its the labour right wing again with wrecking tactics

The problem with labour and the Conservatives is that they have internal wars going on that the general public isn’t nessesarily aware of.

They need to consolidate or form new parties.. Otherwise the general public has no idea what they are voting for..

Its not corbyn and the left thats the issue in labour its the labour right wing again with wrecking tactics

Well, that group are right wing as in they conflate standing up for their working class voters with being anti-immigrant… but in other areas many are pretty left wing. Anyway, there are several in there I could never vote for, even if it meant them being beaten by a Conservative. Some have got very vitriolic about migrants recently, and anyone who seeks to stand up for them. Flint being one of the worst.

The Labour Party paradox.

We want socialism, but our socialism! We demand complete authoritarianism on the socialism!

On our terms! Anyone who doesn’t like our authotiarian dictatorship isn’t a true socialist!

I do wonder if toxic grandad actualy believes Brexit will be good for the UK workforce? Surely a Labour leader would want to keep / increase the amount of workers in full time paid employment , with more in unions . When all the indicators show a post brexit slump or full blown recession , riots, shortages , price increases which affect the low paid alot more , and increases their indirect tax burden .
Why not just stand up , be a leader and do something leader -ish . Something along the lines of saving us from ourselves.
“” Look Guys I know you voted leave, but you would all vote for a 2 day working week and a 5 day weekend in a referendum, or make every friday a Bank Holiday if it was up for votes. We cant have this guys , the economy will collapse, and as for the referendum suggesting a month off for xmas , I know you all voted for it but if we lose 7% of GDP the country wil be destroyed and you will be entering agreat 10 year recession, just leave it to us elected folks to get on trying to out best to keep you all employed and petrol in the pumps and food on the shelves. Thanks “”
Or get fit those bicycle clips and cycle off to your allotment on your really rubbish Dawes bike witha gel saddle and trim those runner beans, whistling the Great Escape, which I think he does after PMQ’s most days

Or he could try to assemble a cross party consensus to stop no deal. accept a lot of compromises in doing so and struggle to hold his badly split party together – so badly split one side wants to revoke a50 while another group wants mays deal and a few want no deal. More than half his MPs are at odds with party policy ie want to leave with mays deal or no deal or want to revoke 150

Idiots the lot of them.