Why would Johnson offer garage free run at 80-90 seats?

And the EU would go for a 2 years standstill agreement instead of the WA?😂🤣🤣😂

& No reason for Labour to back it

The one reason Labour might go for it is if, as some MPs are suggesting, it is passed dependant on a new referendum with it vs remain.

All back to Westminster then.

Court rules prorogation illegal.

Court rules prorogation illegal.

Think it goes for a final appeal to the Supreme court.

Yet another Boris defeat?

Looking good for even more chaos, an English court refers to higher court, the Scottish court says illegal, isn’t there also case in NI or Wales??

Going to be messy if different courts start coming up with different results. I can see this being swung in favour of SNP, a Scottish court over-ruled by an English Court….

What’s the chances of the closure being over before the court cases are settled?

isn’t there also case in NI or Wales??

There was a case in NI. Not sure what has happened to that though.
The “English” one is England and Wales.

The supreme court has already scheduled an emergency hearing on both the Scottish and English cases for 17 September, alongside a third challenge brought in the courts in Belfast.

Three cases for the same thing, so I guess at least one will be heard for appeal

Dom’s not going to be happy

When are the government releasing all the Yellowhammer and proroguing comms as required by Grieve’s motion?  It would be embarrassing if those are not totally in accordance with the evidence presented in court.

SNP and Labour now asking for recall of Parliament !

Daily Mail comments are gold. Absolutely apoplectic with rage at a SCOTS court making this ruling.

GIRFUY😎

wonder if they can refer to the ECJ for appeal?

**** the daily mail and all who sails in her.

Twitter is the same. The gammons have gone into absolute meltdown

A constitutional legal expert on Five Live now is saying that the speaker can now legally order to recall the house of commons. Given that it’s John Bercow and that he clearly gives less of a **** now than he ever has, that would be absolutely bloody brilliant!! 😀

Daily Mail comments are gold. Absolutely apoplectic with rage at a SCOTS court making this ruling.

ITS BEAN APPROVD BY ARE MAJESTY NO TRAYTOR SCOTCH JUGES ARE ABOVE HRH GOD BLISS THE QUEEN

I thought that BJ ruled out the NI only backstop last night?

In other news the Unions have convinced Labour not to back Remain in the GE.

the Unions

The unions or the leadership of Unison?

Len and Seamus. Nobody else’s opinion is of any relevance here.

It’s quite obvious by now that they’re pushing at an open door though. Corbyn will never campaign for remain, no matter what the MP’s, members or voters think.

The best that can be hoped for is essentially a free vote where MPs get to campaign for what they personally believe in

So that’ll be him and Kate Hoey on one side and the rest of the Labour party on the other.

A question for the regulars in here- do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU in some way unless there’s a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum?

He’s still in for getting a deal AND THEN remain/red-deal referendum, no?

So, what of the sacked Tory rebels, where do they go come election time?

do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU

Yes

It’s the law….until MP’s change it not to be the law anymore.

I’ve given up expecting anything really.
Except perhaps more stupidity, cakism and chaos.

do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU in some way unless there’s a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum?

In my worthless opinion yes. Best to hope for as close a ties as possible.

It’s the law….until MP’s change it not to be the law anymore.

You put your left law in, your left law out…

I think parliament will never agree on a deal, it’s stuck in never-ending negotiation limbo and only another referendum will solve it. a clear majority for one party isn’t happening

do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU in some way unless there’s a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum

Yes, one way or another.

I then find myself almost hoping the the ensuing disaster is so monumental that we quickly ask to be accepted back, even with the vastly reduced privileges that we’ll inevitably get.

Edit: this makes me sad and angry in almost equal measure, btw

I have always thought that the Withdrawal Agreement will pass one way or the other, once all the political posturing is over. Now that Blojo seems happy to defecate on the DUP (that’s a long queue) it seems even more likely. And now that we have had a taste of how things can go in a tinpot dictatorship where the leader believes himself above the law – and this is just the start.

& No reason for Labour to back it as they’ve forced Johnson to extend, so if he doesn’t, it’s on Johnson

Don’t be so sure, Caroline Fleet, Kinnock and their band of merry ****tards want to bring back Mays deal. They say they have the support of 50 mps now.

I don’t see the WA passing before an election now. Johnson has made the 31st of October personal… so it will be used as a way to try and neuter him now… even Labour MPs looking for us to Leave won’t want to be seen to be saving Johnson. The WA, with changes as regards NI, will probably still happen… but only after a general election… which could also mean a referendum… but it’s unlikely… however logical the “give the public the final say, as we’re doing this on their instruction” position is. The chances of a No Deal exit are now much lower than they’ve been for a while… thanks to a brief and rare period of many politicians working together in the interests of us all.

Nothing will pass before a general election.

Then? I think Boris and the ERG are already cooking up going into an general election with a pre-election pact with Farage in place on a promise to an all or nothing/do or die/come what may no-deal Brexit

God knows what happens then? If we think we’ve got a fractured and broken political system already, the present could be looking positively calm compared with what’s to come as things get even more polarised

I have always thought that the Withdrawal Agreement will pass one way or the other

See my prediction a few pages back. Given that labour have now nailed their colours to the 2nd ref/remain mast, despite the best efforts of the unions,  this creates huge danger. If a deal passes, Johnson wins the election. This was always the risk of labour going full-on remain. If the WA does pass and we leave on the 31st October, labour’s only hope will be the ERG leaving the tory party and subsequently the Brexit party taking huge numbers of of votes off Johnson. Labour’s only hope is probably any deal failing and an extension being agreed by the EU.

Worst case scenario is that we end up with a tory-brexit party coalition with Boris as PM and Farage as chancellor. Just imagine that for a second!

Of course, the government can put a WA to parliament, who can then insist on a referendum to accept it. It kills the “October 31st” rallying cry for Johnson… so works in Labour’s favour… and fits their narrative of both stopping No Deal and offering a Referendum… they could back that… well many MPs could.

I think the Brexit party ltd should always be referred to by the full name, i.e including the ltd to remind people they are not a party it a company.

DUP will rail against that (that’s a billion well spent, I assume no refunds) – the question is whether there are enough hardline loyalists that would see it as a call to action again, as this could easily be spun as the first step towards a united ireland. It could be just as much a threat to the GFA as a return to an inland border.

There is a feeling that the ‘backstop’ will end up being repackaged and renamed with some superficial changes. WHatever the DUP stance may be, most business owners, farmers etc. in Northern Ireland, regardless of community background, would prefer some kind of deal than a crash-out so I’m not sure if the DUP being sidelined would cause a revolt to the same extent of the reimposition of a border

breakdown of polling on backstop in NI by party

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No 10 is denying that they’ll work with Farage. Which given their track record probably means they’re about to.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-no-deal-nigel-farage-government-latest-a9100936.html

See my prediction a few pages back. Given that labour have now nailed their colours to the 2nd ref/remain mast, despite the best efforts of the unions, this creates huge danger. If a deal passes, Johnson wins the election. This was always the risk of labour going full-on remain. If the WA does pass and we leave on the 31st October, labour’s only hope will be the ERG leaving the tory party and subsequently the Brexit party taking huge numbers of of votes off Johnson. Labour’s only hope is probably any deal failing and an extension being agreed by the EU.

Had Labour been remain from the outset then they wouldn’t be in this position, article 50 would have not been triggered too early, we might have had a second referendum already etc etc.

It is labour dithering that has or will enable a Tory brexit. You forget that labour are being destroyed in the polls not because they have gone remain, but because they didn’t go remain hard enough.

A question for the regulars in here- do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU in some way unless there’s a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum?

Yeah, the only Party who will revoke unequivocally is the Lib Dems and they’re not going to win the next election. Even if they (as likely will) form part of a coalition they won’t have enough flex to force it.

The Tories will send us all the hell in a handcart before backing away from Brexit, they’re dead if they do, the only way that will change is if Yellowhammer is so damming that even the most rabid Leaver thinks they’ve been lied to, BJ resigns and power goes back to the Remainer Tories. this won’t happen though. The really stupid ones only think what the papers tell them to think and the clever ones already know the truth and are in on the swindle.

Labour is well in recent weeks, ‘The Party of Remain’ then they were the ‘Party of a 2nd Ref with Remain on the ballot’ now they’re ‘the Party of we’ll come up with our own Deal to Leave and we’ll put it up against Remain’.

I am NOT a fan of Corbyn, I don’t believe Socialism is fair, nor does it work, but I also believe that revoking A50 without a huge swing in public opinion could be worse than a no-deal Brexit. We would only prove the Brexit Party right, the Tories will go further to the right and as the papers spew more and more BS about the EU it will tear the country apart even more than it is now.

For me a 2nd, fact based, real deal v current deal referendum is the only way out of this mess, and I’d be leaning heavily on the press complaints commission and the electoral commission to ensure fairness. You can’t have HM Treasury tweeting about the return of ‘good old Duty Free’ after Brexit without also saying how badly our currency would suffer thus making it worse over all.