EU Referendum – are you in or out?

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  • EU Referendum – are you in or out?
  • Premier Icon kimbers
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    I need cheering up, schadenfreude, please

    https://youtu.be/YXnGkUmH1zM?t=297

    There’s a lot of it going around

    DrJ
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    Schadenfreude indeed. You have to admire the restraint of the journalist saying “you might have shot yourself in the foot a bit” and not “you’re a complete bloody idiot”.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    I still don’t blame the voters such as those… when people tried to tell them that THEIR FoM and THEIR pensions could be effected by Brexit, they were crowded out by calls of PROJECT FEAR. That the media, including the BBC, allowed this “balance” (just dismiss warnings over what losing EU membership will mean, as, basically, lies, without any actual counterpoint as to why the warnings should be heeded) is a huge question. And now, their willingness to repeat “undemocratic” whenever someone suggests we might night some more democratic oversight, of any kind, over what is going on in our name, raises the same huge question…

    DrJ
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    Really? I do. My family may be split up by their stupidity and selfishness. They didn’t consider that before they put a cross in the “no foreigner” box, so f ’em if their plans are screwed up now. Tough titty.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    They didn’t know your family life would be at risk. They were told, repeatedly, that was just Project Fear. On every channel.

    DrJ
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    We were all told that. Stupid people believed it. People were told of the risks but didn’t give a shit about anyone else and voted leave. Forgive me if my sympathy is a bit lacking.

    To give an example of the how stupid some people are, I worked with a Polish bloke, who was pro Brexit, because “it’ll get rid of the Muslims” he refused to believe it could mean him getting deported over people who’ve lived here for generations.

    I’m with the doctor. These people have the wherewithal to afford retirement abroad. They could have done 5 minutes of critical thinking.

    Best is they are the same lot that crap on about how Britain survived the war. Yet can’t be further than 5 minutes away from a Spanish bar with cheap lager, full English and premiership football without moaning about it.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Sigh — aren’t we all clever because we didn’t fall for the bullshit, even though the “reputable” news channels repeated it ad nauseam.

    mattyfez
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    Yep, my old man has lived in Spain a time, he and his crowd are very pro EU, for obvious reasons but there are a few who are staunch leavers, the most vocal being a typical racist, who’s also a bit of a fraud, owns a property, doesn’t have residency and over stays frequently… It’s just bare faced hypocrisy.

    dannyh
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    Sigh — aren’t we all clever because we didn’t fall for the bullshit, even though the “reputable” news channels repeated it ad nauseam.

    Not clever per se, but rather just not as thick as pig shit. I glean no satisfaction from knowing I am less gullible than a bunch of thickos, so meh.

    spekkie
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    “Japanese officials, it says, have been instructed to extract “every advantage possible”, as Tokyo is confident it can negotiate more concessions from the UK than those it has agreed with the EU.”

    How very dare they! Don’t they know who they are dealing with…..?

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Sigh — we all consume and assess information differently — those people who didn’t campaign for us to have a referendum, but had to decide on the run up to the vote which way to vote (they didn’t ask to be made to assess our EU membership) and came down on balance to Leave, are not “Thickos”. They may have been previously disinterested. They may have believed the chants of “Project Fear”. They may still have no idea what is now going to happen… but then, who the whatever does?!?

    Premier Icon csb
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    If they’re too stupid to have thought through the possible implications then they deserve whatever difficulties they now face, and let’s be honest, the UK deserve the return of the them if they’re booted out.

    spekkie
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    how can people make promises before a referendum as to what’s going to happen after the referendum, but then claim not know “what’s going to happen after the referendum” once the voting is finished?

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    If they’re too stupid to have thought through the possible implications then they deserve whatever difficulties they now face…

    So, are you clear are on the implications… years later? Because I’m not. Those that listened to the wrong people are not necessarily stupid. You have to get past that… or just sink back into your own little hole and stay there. There are many reasons why people mistrusted the untrustworthy people in the government and Remain campaign… it’s easy for us to point at the Leave campaign and say “how could anyone trust these snake-oil sales people”… but have another look at who headed the Remain campaign…

    DrJ
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    Sigh — we all consume and assess information differently — those people who didn’t campaign for us to have a referendum, but had to decide on the run up to the vote which way to vote (they didn’t ask to be made to assess our EU membership) and came down on balance to Leave, are not “Thickos”

    Surely that is a definition of what a “thicko” is? Someone provided with a body of information (directly or indirectly) and making an incorrect decision based on it?

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    They may have been previously disinterested. They may have believed the chants of “Project Fear”. They may still have no idea what is now going to happen… but then, who the whatever does?!?

    mattyfez
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    So leavers are sticking it to the UK government for various very valid reasons… By voting to leave the EU? It makes no sense.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    I’m sure plenty of leave voters are thickos, plenty of remainers too.

    We all know people voted for different reasons, hence 17 million different versions of what Brexit means

    I think the guy in the video does qualify though-

    Voting to leave to remove FOM from immigrants without realising he was an immigrant himself.

    Premier Icon csb
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    Kelvin, you asked if I’m clear of the implications.

    I’ve always been clear of the possible implications of us leaving the EU for my rights to travel to and live in the EU. That is the most obvious right we have had as a member!

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    It makes no sense.

    The person fronting the Remain campaign looked a lot like our PM at the time. All previous living PMs also took part in the Remain campaign. If you don’t trust any of those heads and previous heads of the UK government, then perhaps it made sense to you.

    mattyfez
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    So leavers voted based on thier perception rather than considering the practicalities and ramifications?
    Sounds pretty stupid to me.
    Of course we have the other flavour of leaver, the ultra right wing rich who support leave not out of stupidity but pure callous selfishness.

    The former seem to support the latter without realising what the real game is here.

    I’m still of the opinion that leavers fall into the following 3 catagoies.

    1)stupid
    2)rascist
    3)selfish

    Those categories are not mutually exclusive, they also can be a combination of any two, or all three.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    On the other hand, I know an intelligent chap who doesn’t really like the EU and how it operates, but voted to remain out of pragmatic realism. That’s what intelligence leads you to.

    dannyh
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    They may have been previously disinterested. They may have believed the chants of “Project Fear”. They may still have no idea what is now going to happen

    Should have either done some finding out for themselves or just stayed in and not voted, then.

    mickmcd
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    So, are you clear are on the implications… years later?

    No Nissan’s or Honda’s….or expensive Nissan’s and Honda’s

    Just as being ignorant of the law when you break it, doesn’t stop you going to prison, being thick as shit doesn’t stop you being a **** when you vote to ruin the country.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    As someone why fervently thinks we should Remain… some of you are sounding like right twits, it must be said.

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    ION, the ironically named Seaborne has been kicked to the kerb.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/09/government-cancels-brexit-ferry-contract-with-no-ship-firm

    I wonder where the money for all that is now..?

    but then, who the whatever does?!?

    The government’s own figures and preparedness notices are painting a pretty bleak picture.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/how-to-prepare-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162

    Etc. Etc.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    That looks like a lot of extra red tape to me.

    mickmcd
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    The BBC are considering relocating to a more international setting.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Got to get your EU licensing sorted somewhere. Any organisation of a decent size should be keeping a foot inside the EU somehow… even if it does have “British” in its title.

    mickmcd
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    It is interesting the tactic of quoting only 1.6% this or that it seems when discussing economics …when 1% equals 10 billion they don’t mention that…yet 350million was a convenient get people on the hook figure

    mattyfez
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    some of you are sounding like right twits

    Hope that’s not aimed at me, if a bunch of arse holes can take away my rights, and the rights of my family, and you’re ok with that then you better get used to being called what you are.

    mickmcd
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    Single Twit World

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    Re Japan. T. people (pro Brexit twitter group stated today

    “Japan is one small country ! imagine their loss when we are successfully trading with 194 other countries! Brexit as per mandate as per the referendum as per democracy as per the vote of 17.4 million as per 1000 years of history! leave now on WTO”.

    Small country eh? Almost twice the population of the UK, 3rd largest economy in the world. But yeah, whatever.

    Sinn Fein are talking up a referendum on Irish unification.

    Meanwhile Kate Hoey continues her pathetic little sniping at Guy Verhofstadt.

    cchris2lou
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    I am in the Leavers are thick as shxt camp.
    W
    It was, and still is obvious, what the implications of leaving the EU are.
    I am French, my wife is English, we live in France, have 3 UK born children, have property in France and UK. And we travel between the 2 countries a lot.
    Brexit is a huge issue for us, leavers can all go and **** themselves as far as I am concerned. And the more they suffer from it, the better.

    Premier Icon Cougar
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    Whilst I don’t think that making rash generalisations about any group of people is a good idea or does us any favours, I present for your viewing pleasure this nugget from a leaver on an open pro-brexit FB group.

    The plan is to do trade deals ect when we have left did not say plan on voting paper it said leave or remain or deal we had trade with them before we joined so what is the difference up to our negotiators to get good deals that’s there jobs that’s why we pay our taxes they work for us the voters so please remainers get it thru your thick heads it DID not say leave with a deal on the referendum paper

    agian up to those we have in parliament to do there jobs that’s what they get paid for or what point is there in them having jobs like all leave voters we did not vote on a deal with EU we voted to leave deals are town to our government and there job is to make sure we leave the Eu if it’s no deal then 17.4 of us will live with it

    I’m not unconvinced that the entire page isn’t satire. It’s so hard to tell any more. What do other readers think?

    https://www.facebook.com/Brexit-Votes-Matter-2419328181441973/

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