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  • EU Referendum – are you in or out?
  • oldmanmtb
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    Not my words folks, It was a French Economics Professor, but i agree intentions and actualittes are different.

    Who would spend most of their lives working in one country – most people, well poor people anyway.

    molgrips
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    Turn it around FFS, who would dream of spending their entire working life in one country?

    52% apparently.

    Edukator
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    And what’s really sad is that those at LSE who dream of life in 27 countries they can currently move to and start a business or get a job, will soon be faced with the same obstacles as other people from outside the EU. But it hasn’t happened yet so there’s still hope.

    Edit: I use the LSE example as a family member studied there and now runs a software start-up in London. His wife is Spanish which obviously isn’t an issue at present but will be if Brexit goes through. She’s Spanish, Spain doesn’t allow double nationality and there’s no way she’s giving up Spanish nationality so he’s planning on moving his start-up to Spain if push comes to shove. The double nationality thing could hit a lot of people as several European countries allow double nationality with other EU states but not with others so people will have make a choice. If ever I have to make a choice I’ll be joining the queue for a visa to visit the country I was born in.

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    anagallis_arvensis
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    Not my words folks

    Yes it **** was!!

    most French graduates wander off to other parts of the world

    You just made something up to support your view and then tried to back it up with “evidence” that said something else.

    Drac
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    News just in.

    Edukator
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    Oldmanmtb. On the basis of your example at the bottom of the previous page you’d be better going straight for an EURL/SARL in which case your tax and social security payments woud be about 50% (assuming the business needs to be VAT registered) of the money you paid yourself but a much smaller proportion of turnover than 25%.

    You really need to understand how tax and social security systems work in each country before trying to compare them. The public sector is bigger in France than the UK as a proprtion of GDP so yes the total tax burden is likely to be higher (but not in every case). The level of service is also higher which means you don’t pay for as many services privately. This mainly benefit s the poorer in society and the people least able to look after themselves. I’m happy with that, so are most of the people I know, which is why 75% of people are sympathetic to the causes of the gilets jaunes even if they don’t support their violent methods.

    oldmanmtb
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    I agree and understand how France works well at a basic level anyway, my point is it is difficult from an entrepreneur point of view and yes the public sector requires more cash (tax)

    Eerr it was not my statement it was the words of a French Economic Professor??

    oldmanmtb
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    Good article Educator not seen it prior

    dazh
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    I was going to post a link to that article about the progressive europe thing. It’s a simplistic view, but I reckon the main difference between Europe and the UK is that in Europe they recognise the simple fact that if you want first class infrastructure, public services, the ability to tackle things like climate change and poverty, then you have to pay for those things through taxation. The UK on the other hand wants the same but without having to pay for it. We really do specialise in wanting our cake and eating it don’t we?

    Houns
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    Ha!

    raybanwomble
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    Bwahahaahah the ****.

    Tommy scares me though, he strikes me as weirdly more intelligent than Boris or Mogg – in a troll kind of way, I reckon he’s better at political trolling than Trump. He is much more dangerous than a lot of people are led to believe.

    Edukator
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    There are economics professors to represent every political ideal with their own agendas and a discours that reflects that. It would be intersting to hear what Picketty’s students have to say because if you are a socialist humanist republican you are more likely to sign up at Toulouse than the Sorbonne. Junior is leftward leaning (to the point of falling over) and after Science Po is now at the Humbolt following in the footsteps of Marx.

    deadlydarcy
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    We really do specialise in wanting our cake and eating it don’t we?

    Absolutely. And Barry Gardiner was exemplifying that very national trait this evening on C4.

    Edukator
    Free Member

    WTF

    athgray
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    Conviction for the assault of a police officer.
    Convictions for public order and drug offences.
    Conviction for illegally entering a country under someone else’s passport.
    Conviction for a £160,000 mortgage fraud.
    Conviction for contempt of court (Conviction since quashed, we await a re-trial.

    Imagine if this was the conviction list of a Muslim!

    AD
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    slowoldman
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    Degree level education opens up huge opportunities to decent jobs.

    Well it used to. When I graduated in 1976 in Civil Engineering I was pretty much guaranteed a job as a Civil Engineer. These days it seems large numbers of graduates end up in call centres.

    myti
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    I thought Caroline lucas came across very well and spoke alot of sense in the c4 debate. Not impressed with Labour tonight which I find troubling. Mogg had nothing intelligent to say.

    slowoldman
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    Hmmmm – looks like Tommy’s march (sorry UKIP’s No Brexit betrayal or whatever it was called) fell a bit short of 700 000…

    That bloke on the right of the photo of Batten… Why the paramilitary style beret?

    mikewsmith
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    Why the paramilitary style beret?


    I’ve no idea…..

    slowoldman
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    No, surely not?

    kimbers
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    So postponing the vote until neverember,

    Or go for broke & gamble on 100s of MPs abstaining

    scotroutes
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    #labstain

    Del
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    Zippy, Norway are outside the customs Union, so hard border, accept EU legislation with no say, pay, and have freedom of movement.

    AD
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    More ‘whataboutery’ to be ignored…
    Or an interesting read depending on your viewpoint: https://news.sky.com/story/brexits-my-fault-how-the-word-i-invented-could-be-an-epitaph-for-the-nations-decline-11576816

    kerley
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    I thought Caroline lucas came across very well and spoke alot of sense in the c4 debate.

    She usually does. And seeing that Green party polices are more “Labour” than Labour party policies have been for the last 20 years you would think they would be more popular with left wingers. I think maybe the branding has a problem, with them being seen as Green only?

    kelvin
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    So, the “my deal or no deal” bluff is over… the legal situation is now officially that the UK government can cancel A50, so “no deal” would be the government’s choice, not the inevitable result of triggering A50. Remaining an EU member, with our current unique bespoke terms, is still a very real option.

    scotroutes
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    It’s also true that a lot of “green” policies and ideas have been taken up by other parties. In many ways the GP are still a (successful) pressure group.

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Unilateral revocation is go!

    NOT delay/postponement as the BBC were suggesting only yesterday though. That was never an option.

    mikewsmith
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    I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

    UK can cancel Brexit, says EU court – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643

    Well that is going to make Tuesday tricky, I’m hoping for some tough questions

    Klunk
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    the daily fail comment section will now explode with “how dare they order us about! good job we’re leaving it’s god damn communism”

    mickmcd
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    Unilateral revocation is go!

    Yet despite that why would a governemnt with the best interests of the people, nay carrying out the will of the people, have an option for a 2nd referendum..

    WITH NO OPTION TO REMAIN

    Strikes me as a bit of a time to say democracy has failed

    molgrips
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    I don’t think revocation is politically possible without a ref2, don’t get your hopes up.

    kelvin
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    Revoke, and then hold a referendum.

    If Leave win, then have we bought 2 years to actually prepare to leave… the roll out of the necessary customs systems and staffing coild be completed for a start. Do this while retaining membership rather than entering this weird and disempowering limbo situation where we give the rEU all the power, by giving up membership/say/control but stay under their wing.

    If Leave lose… many key campaigners won’t give up, but they can at least be made to drop the “will of the people” line.

    I think a Leave win is very likely, sadly, but I stil think the public should be asked if this is still what they want.

    mikewsmith
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    Could be molgrips but, it completely changes the context of the debate and vote as it removes any incentive for Remain mps to vote for mays deal. It also provides a mechanism to get out of jail in late March if no progress is made.

    mickmcd
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    Are there any actual vote leavers still here

    thecaptain
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    Note that revoking doesn’t even require an act of parliament as some had suggested. Since the first act only empowered (and did not mandate) the PM to invoke A50 it logically leaves the power in their hands to pursue the process or not. I can see a new PM being appointed at the last minute to actually take the decision formally at the end of March next year. I do hope sanity prevails before then, but at least we have this backstop 🙂

    tjagain
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    There must be another referendum politically and indeed practically otherwise the leave propaganda will ramp up and the far right emboldened.

    kimbers
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    It’s almost as if we have sovereignty whilst still members of the EU, this’ll not please the gammons as it seems sovereignty- they don’t like it up ’em

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