Corbyn will be just as FUBAR as May is if he magically got into the driving seat.

He’s turned fence sitting into a competitive sport..

Yet again confirming that labour policy is to ram through the red unicorn brexit if they win a GE.

thecaptain – can you read? that is not labour policy nor what he says or has said.

Yet again confirming that labour policy is to ram through the red unicorn brexit if they win a GE.

Labour and many others seem to think that because we change something in our government the rest of the world will bend and wait

this is the deal negotiated. They all watched it happen now it’s too late to start again. The EU have other things to do than deal with petulance

TJ – which Brexit vision does Corbyn/Labour Party have – all of the four freedoms or none of them?

Thing is folks doing some troll work on other less enlightened forums ihave established the following  – there are really just two types of rabid Brexiteers

Type 1. Jacob Rees Moog, Arron Banks – well healed no amount of chaos can ever touch there world but chaos brings profit. They like being in charge.

Type 2. Working poor, not well educated with limited skills that are not transportable and easily undercut, they dont care about the cliff edge they dont believe they will be any worse off. They think they used to be in charge but now all them foreigners have taken over.

This not a gross generalisation. Neither of the above give a **** about integrated supply chains or transportable skills, they dont want to be educated and travel more – they want enough money to sit in the pub from friday to sunday, bet on the horses and not have to look at brown people.

Type 2 create no wealth, jobs or opportunities for others – they simply “take” wealth created by others and here is the rub Type 1 are exactly the same.

Its a uncomfortable reality and one i personally have trouble coming to terms with, this is why they dont see through the shysters because they aspire to be shysters in there own little world.

We are irreparably split, nothing will fix this – the fight now is to start and get control back from these horrible ****s and get both types suppressed.

It may be that a really shit hard brexit can get type 2 under control and a major economic recession give type 1 a kicking.

The fight starts here comrades, dont tolerate their shite, bait the gammons, question their “statistics” dont let casual racism/sexism occur – shout them down, point out uncomfortable facts and when it goes tits up (like now) rub their ****ing noses in it.

TJ, the labour policy is crystal clear and has been stated many times by starmer in particular. The people’s vote is only an alternative goal if they can’t have an election. If they win an election, their policy is to pursue brexit with no option for a new referendum.

I’ve not really paid attention to labours Brexit plan.

Can anyone tell me how they will achieve their 6 goals and have they been approved by the EU?

They won’t, they can’t. The 6 tests is a stick to beat the Tories with, not something they have a plan to pass themselves.

Make three wishes (twice) then clap your hands…

But isn’t Labour policy a second ref, as per the conference?  If they win a GE they’ll have to do it, no?

Just reading Jezza’s email. It clear that he wants to force a GE, but on the back of that he’s offering support for a People’s Vote. The “all other options” thing is hot air – Jezza would be in exactly the same position as May with Brexit-lite and he knows it.

I did reply along the lines of “who dragged grandad away from the allotment at last?”.

The whole 6 tests thing is just a nice thing to say when you’re quite enjoying the adulation of half-wits who are so profoundly stupid that they can’t even recognise that what they want is the polar opposite of what you want. What you actually want is exactly the same as Arron Banks.

Corbyn supporting Momentum members are just a quaint, shit-thick, charming mirror image of the London racist Cabbie who think Nigel Farage ‘tells it how it is’

The end result is the same

Honestly, I thought that he was away on some sort of sabbatical or something.

Its a good job that we have an excellent, first rate opposition.

He was great today! Faced with an open goal he went at it with all the fire-filled vitriol and oratory of a local council health and safety inspector reading some local council planning regulations to a group of bored builders.

Which is pretty much his level. In fact, he may have to spend a bit of time working up to that

Corbyn supporting Momentum members are just a quaint, shit-thick, charming mirror image of the London racist Cabbie who think Nigel Farage ‘tells it how it is’

Good job you’re doing your best to get rid of him, then.

Oh.

As I thought – nothing he can say or do will satisfy those who hate him

The captain – the policy is clear.  GE and a soft as it can be brexit. or if he cannot get that a second referendum.    He cannot say now “remain” as it would split the party wide open given the shameful pandering to the leavrs of around half his party, the rabid leavers in the party and those afraid to say what they want..  He must be mindful of the press attacks he will get.   Yes he is still offering things that are unachievable but as a starting point for negotiations staying in a customs union is a far better starting point than the tories started from

Corbyn and labour have been consistent and clear from the start that this is the position they would start negotiations from.  The need to protect the economy and jobs while respecting the result of the referendum means the softest of soft brexits.  NOrway plus.

.  Why people feel the need to keep on claiming he wants the hardest of hard brexists when he continually states the policy of the softest of soft brexits.  When he campaigned for remain and spoke to far more people at far more public events than any other campaigner I do not know or understand.  No one else onthe remain side campaigned as much as he did for remain.

Ransos – do grace all us deluded, vacuous slaves of the military industrial complex the no-doubt groundbreaking opinion of your beardy messiahs wisdom, or your own…

in your own time……

Maybe you need to set up a fair trade, multicultural, all-faith, woke commission that can report back in 20 years time or so…

when you’ve worked out if you the coffee machine in the common room should be soya-only milk

priorities comrade

As I thought – nothing he can say or do will satisfy those who hate him

Let’s be honest, if a gurning war criminal and the template for Malcolm Tucker make you jizz your pants, then it’s inevitable.

Maybe you need to set up a fair trade, multicultural, all-faith, woke commission that can report back in 20 years….

Hey, maybe you’ll have joined the Labour party by then. Or perhaps you’ll have found your natural home.

Type 2 create no wealth, jobs or opportunities for others – they simply “take” wealth created by others and here is the rub Type 1 are exactly the same.

I think you are a bit confused here. If type 2 are working poor then they aren’t taking wealth from anyone. The wealth creators as you call them generally take the piss and only pay the minimum they can get away with to the people doing the work they get rich off the back of. These working poor are also the same people who keep schools (cleaners), hospitals (porters) and roads (labourers) open for other to use. They stock the shelfs in the stores you buy things from, deliver the products you order online and serve you food in restaurants.

Maybe a bit of understanding from people like yourself would have gone a long way to prevent the scenario we are in now.

come on binners – quote from the man himself saying he wants a hard brexit?  Given how often he has siad the opposite and given how much you hate him you must have something to back your opinion that that is what he wants despite the continual stating of the opposite and his campaigning for remain.

Go on go on go on

So, Labour Brexit, or, after watching the clock run down, not ruling out a referendum once it is far too late. Right.

<div class=”bbp-reply-author”><span style=”font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.8rem;”>I’m starting to believe that she’s actually played a blinder and managed to fudge it up so much that we actually remain. </span></div>

<div>If that’s how it comes out, she is a total legend!</div>

As with all politicians – don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do. He’s a brexiteer. A rabid one. It’s what he wants more than anything. Sorry to disappoint you comrade

so what’s he done?

1. Calling for article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum

2. 3 line whipping (oh, the irony) his party to trigger Article 50

3. 3 line whipping (irony overload) his party to reject the EEA and membership of the customs union

Are you deluded muppets going to wake up and see this at any point or are you just going to carry on singing OOOOH JEREMY COOORBYN at Glastonbury while you let him carry on with facilitating the hard rights dream Brexit? What he’s always wanted!

Any of you lot planning on equating these things any time soon? Or just listening to the vacuous cloud-cuckooland rhetoric

he doesn’t want what you want. Please wake up FFS?! He’s just a useful idiot for the far right

Ok not wealth takers – service providers? Not being shitty about it but it will be up to SME entrepreneurs to dig is out of this particular mess not type 1 or 2 people.

Its a “make me happy now!” Attitude that boils my piss

Another evidence-free rant, binners. You sound just like a rabid brexiter.

Erm…. ok..,,, how are your A levels going?

so no quotes from him stating he wants a hard brexit.

The best bit binbins is that people like you were instrumental in getting Corbyn elected, and are too dumb to see it.

He wants Brexit.

Ruling out freedom of movement of workers.

He does not want us, the public, to stand in the way of his Brexit.

Oh, I know how we got here. I think we’d Probably agree on that. The way Blair hollowed out the Labour Partyfrom the inside . That’s what created the vacuum. We probably agree on 95% comrade (comrade meant in a genuine manner)

But Corbyn is about as far away from the answer as it’s possible to get. He’s the 1970’s frozen then reanimated. He’s as hardline a brexiteer as Rees Mogg. Because that’s what he believed in 1970. And he’s never changed his opinion since. Whatever you’d like to think/hope

The visual representation of what he represents is this…

The Conservatives must be thankful and pleased that Corbyn is leader of the opposition. For months now May has been getting a rougher time from her own back benches than from Corbyn.

His lameness is now being shown up when May is being questioned more comprehensively by her own cabinet than by him.

He is like a tepid prize fighter going up against Ali, but he can’t get a punch in, due to the fact Ali is getting beaten up by Angelo Dundee.

so no quotes from him stating he wants a hard brexit.

He can say  all he wants about a soft Brexit but he has ruled out Freedom of Movement so, in effect, can offer little better than May. What alternative does he have up his sleeve that the EU will accept?

May ruled a lot out but look where that left her

Much of the predicament of may is due to the slim majority she has and the divisions within her own party.

A Strong and (somewhat) more united Labour government would be able to impose it’s will much more strongly.

There is no benefit to labour revealing it’s plans until it has to. It enjoys the advantage of being in opposition. The best position for labour to be in now is to appeal to as many as possible in case of a g.e.

So… call for a general election, and campaign for a “Brexit for all” or “jobs first Brexit” with “an end to freedom of movement of workers”… which would then look different to May’s proposals, how?

And so I can understand labour unwillingness to define their version of Brexit. the Tory party are doing well enough destroying themselves on their own, to need labour’s opposition much. I reiterate it’s not in labour interest to reveal their hand.

That sounds so trustworthy, doesn’t it.

Kelvin I don’t think it would matter to the majority of the public what it looked like. Just that calm was restored.Bino or remain .

The public are simply fatigued by it now. Was clear on bbcqt there is a lot less gammon frothing. The reality of the mess is so apparent only the most thick are shouting Brexit means Brexit or similar.

To be honest I think bino would have appeased the majority of the idiots who voted for this from day 1