What if that fella was filling up his van full of people you didn’t want in the country?

I don’t understand how “controlling borders” and “having an uncontrolled border” tally up

Can’t we just ban the English from voting?

What trust our future to a tiny fraction pf the population?

Some folk just can’t be trusted with important decisions and need to be protected for their own good.

What if that fella was filling up his van full of people you didn’t want in the country?

I don’t understand how “controlling borders” and “having an uncontrolled border” tally up

Anyone can get over a border if they are intrepid enough.

I realise its a tall order but lets see, aim high!

Given the shower of shit currently running negotiations for us, I don’t think they’ll hit the target.

Multiculturalism is not just people and the UK has been multicultural for generations.

Look at how many “stars” of the 60s and 80s were born in the old colonies. Look at the import of the Ugandan Asians, the people from the West Indies to help boost population after the Second World War or the importing of south East Asians to work in the mills in the midlands. All of this was before the EU….

It would seem people don’t mind multiculturalism as long as they can feel superior to the people coming in. Much harder to do with a white European.

as for the no border with NI I am all good with that as it means free movement of goods and people with the EU. Well actually free movement of anyone who can get into Ireland.

so you have shown twice now that you have no idea whatsoever how WTO works, youre pro small business & personal fraud/corruption & you dont like foreigners in the UK

yeah, busting all our remoaner prejudices here dickens

Oh Dickens!

At least I got to type that……

Why don’t you stop the foreplay and just go for it?

How many posts before you start one with “You’ll probably think I’m racist, but……”?

Why did you state that ‘less multiculturalism’ is a good thing?

If you didn’t really mean it and you were just ‘throwing a bone’, then it’s back under the bridge for you.

dannyh – I don’t think multiculturalism in all our towns and cities is a good thing.  I don’t see that as being racist and presumably neither does angela merkel.  Maybe you’re confusing multiculturalism with multiracial (which I like).

Given the shower of shit currently running negotiations for us, I don’t think they’ll hit the target.

Slowoldman – can’t argue with you there..

However, it is difficult to evaluate precisely the size of these effects because of the strong correlation of ethnolinguistic fractionalization variables with other potential explanatory variables, especially geographical ones. In the end one has to use theory and priors to interpret our partial correlations.

That style of conclusion is normal practice in journal published in relation to “social” research.  The research started by referring to “social construct” and hence the “disclaimer” to avoid positivism.    If the article is to insist on a “strong correlations” in the final conclusion then it may be seen as inconsistent with the methodology i.e. social construct, then it might not be published at all.

If the research did not find something “interesting” then those points I quoted above will not even be mentioned in the article.  The fact that those points are being mentioned and published only show that they found something interesting and some truth.

What’s the name of that plastic stuff that used to be a popular football pitch substitute in the 1990s again?

Well, I laughed.

Its an indisputable fact that if we are on wto rules

As I understand it, we don’t automatically default to WTO. We have to be approved, and that’s like over 100 countries. Anyone have anything concrete on whether that’s right or not?

 I don’t see that as being racist and presumably neither does angela merkel.  Maybe you’re confusing multiculturalism with multiracial (which I like).

Would you care to explain the difference, please?

Don’t.ypu think there’ll be a problem.if we have zero import tariffs? Why do you think tariffs exist?

Its an indisputable fact that if we are on wto rules

As I understand it, we don’t automatically default to WTO. We have to be approved, and that’s like over 100 countries. Anyone have anything concrete on whether that’s right or not?

Shouldn’t we have a referendum on whether or not we join the WTO – an unelected body over which we have no control?

Chewkw.

Did you even read the paper or did you just read the article, look at the colour of the UK in the picture and think that it shows we’re not multicultural?

1. It’s based on data from the encyclopaedia britannica, which in turn is based upon sampling and old census data.

2. It relies (in part at least) upon the primary language being different to the country norm. This assumes that to get multiculturalism, you need a different language.  Many second generation Indians in the UK still celebrate Indian traditions but don’t speak Hindi as a primary language. These same people would identify as British, not Indian.

3. When testing their metric scores, they called a random pair of numbers and asked about their ethnicity. In such a circumstance, who’s most likely to reply?  Those with the least concern about someone asking about their ethnicity over the phone perhaps?

There have been several rebuttal papers about this work which was published over 16 years ago using data from 25 years ago.

Chewkw.

Did you even read

You could have stopped typing there TBH.

so you have shown twice now that you have no idea whatsoever how WTO works, youre pro small business & personal fraud/corruption & you dont like foreigners in the UK

yeah, busting all our remoaner prejudices here dickens

Kimbers wow you’re quite the extrapolator.

Nothing in the article prevents us from trading under wto, it just suggests there will be some adjustment to quotas and tarriffs. As stated I don’t like corruption, and I also stated that a certain amount of goods could be permissible without checks or duty.  Looks like you and dannyh are both confusing multiculturalism with multi racialism.  Multi racialism = good multiculturalism = bad.

So now the Americans look like they are rectifying their moment of madness

isnt it time we ditched ours?

exitbrexit!

OT, but can someone send me a link to Killfile for Chrome?

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An end to multiculturalism.

Britain is absolutely, to the roots, multicultural- we’re a mongrel nation made out of every body of people that worked out how to float, plus a bunch more that we went and abducted. The closest thing we have to a national religion we imported from the middle east, most of our culture we either nicked from people who invaded us or people we invaded, and don’t even start on the language, the royal family are german and the very first Britons were immigrants. And St George was from the EU

So what’s the exact date that “British” was set and anything after that was bad multiculturalism? I mean, my family migrated here in longboats about a thousand years ago,is that far enough? How about those most british of people, the anglo-saxons, do they get sent back to Germany?

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Everything we are is multicultural and so is pretty much everyone else, and have been ever since Ug walked over big hill to show Zog how to make fire.

Check the post history and then report. Sock puppet.

but you told us that food under WTO wood be cheaper, this was undisputable?

you also said small business & personal corruption was fine

race is a false construct , culture is dynamic

Multi racialism = good multiculturalism = bad.

How do you think non white people got to the UK? They were not magicked in by the invisible sky monkey….

Looks like you and dannyh are both confusing multiculturalism with multi racialism.  Multi racialism = good multiculturalism = bad.

I imagine what you man by that is Johnny Foreigner can move in here but can’t continue to perform any of those “strange” beliefs and practices. They must become more British than St. George. Oh hang on…

More British than queen victoria?

kimbers happy to debate but you making stuff up is just silly (as my teacher used to say ‘its your time your wasting you know…’.

I said that it is indisputable that we can set our own tarriffs.  I also said that food outside the eu is cheaper.  I didn’t say this is indisputable but theres plenty of info out there to support that.

Northwind – I think the issue on multiculturalism (and again this isn’t a big issue for me, I voted leave for other reasons) is of different cultures coming to your towns and cities and not integrating with a progressive creep towards transforming areas.  For many people these are serious issues.  I think multi racialism is a positive thing and something to be celebrated.

There have been several rebuttal papers about this work which was published over 16 years ago using data from 25 years ago.

Show me the published journals. i.e. actually published and Not a Discussion paper as in June 2002 ( https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=319762  )

Ok they published it in 2003 … nevertheless …

Quote from above Abstract.

We partly confirm and partly modify previous results.

^^^ that quote from Abstract is interesting …

Also if you read the full paper you will realise that their Conclusion adopted the same tone (“disclaimer”) as the previous paper even when their discussion paper is much more “positivist”.

Additionally, are they actually measuring the same variables as they openly admitted that they change them?

I said that it is indisputable that we can set our own tarriffs.

which is a lie, MFN rules & objections from other WTO member prevent this

also culture is dynamic

youre not very good at this…………….. are you Liam Fox?

I imagine what you man by that is Johnny Foreigner can move in here but can’t continue to perform any of those “strange” beliefs and practices. They must become more British than St. George. Oh hang on…

slowoldman – here’s what Merkel has to say on the subject:

“Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’ ” or a sham, she said

“Of course the tendency had been to say, ‘Let’s adopt the multicultural concept and live happily side by side, and be happy to be living with each other.’ But this concept has failed, and failed utterly,” she said in 2010.

Who decides what a small business is ? Or personal use ?

As an eu citizen, can I go through the irish border without being checked ?

 I also said that food outside the eu is cheaper.

Of course it can be cheaper, lower standards of animal welfare,  dubious animal feed and in the case of grain, fruit and vegetables,  questionable and sometimes illegal (in the EU) pesticides and fertiliser .. All of which are detrimental to public health and not consistent with long term environmental strategies..

Quality standards are not there for the fun of it, or to keep costs down, they are there for long term benefit and sustainability.. American chickens live and are prepared in such squalor the meat has to be bleached to kill all the bacteria for gods sake .. Wake up..

As an eu citizen, can I go through the irish border without being checked ?

What’s wrong with being checked?

I get checked all over the world even travelling back to my own country.

I even get “interrogated” at Newcastle Int’l Airport …

kimbers – they specify the maximum levels  we can charge so fair enough you got me BUT we will still be fully free to charge lower levels of tariffs, or zero tariffs if it suits us.

Night night doom mongers, will check back here tomorrow!

kimbers – they specify the maximum levels  we can charge so fair enough you got me BUT we will still be fully free to charge lower levels of tariffs, or zero tariffs if it suits us.

still dont understand MFN then

Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’

I dont celebrate birthdays and my family don’t go out to see other people at Christmas. Everyone else I know does the opposite… does this mean I am part of a separate society?

who defines the “norm” that we should be confirming to?

I get checked all over the world even travelling back to my own country.

I can’t imagine why.

We shall go back for poor new/old Dickens

Name me 3 countries on WTO only

Take the case of the Swiss immigration official that said no to the lady that wouldn’t shake his hand, seems fair enough to me, maybe a bit extreme though.  But Burkas need to go, there’s no place for them in a civilised society.

If your going to quote stuff at least try and get the right country

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/17/swedish-muslim-wins-case-refusing-handshake-man-job-interview/

Though all those places that begin with S sound the same….

Is there a place for men wearing dresses talking to imaginary friends in old stone buildings while sitting in the house of lords??

they specify the maximum levels  we can charge so fair enough you got me BUT we will still be fully free to charge lower levels of tariffs, or zero tariffs if it suits us.

My my understanding of the wto tariffs is these are agreed for the hundreds of thousands of goods by 164 member countries. If we then choose to import beef from Australia below the tariff we can be called into a disputed by any of the 163 other countries for breaking the agreement.

once agreed we have to renegotiate with the entire WTO to change or agree specific trade agreements with individual countries. We cannot just do whatever we choose.

An example thrown up a few pages back detailed that the WTO section for metal covers 4000 odd types and the steel sub section has 3000 odd alloy designations. Obviously we want to protect what we make but also not make imports of other raw mats expensive. Trouble is so does India and China but they also want immigration deals…

the masterclass of dealing with the eu does not inspire confidence

Northwind – I think the issue on multiculturalism (and again this isn’t a big issue for me, I voted leave for other reasons) is of different cultures coming to your towns and cities and not integrating with a progressive creep towards transforming areas.  For many people these are serious issues

So again the question, when did this stop being OK? 1973?

and to say the more multicultural places I have lived have been the best. If you don’t get that then get out and mix with other people.

and to say the more multicultural places I have lived have been the best. If you don’t get that then get out and mix with other people.

This….

sadly either you are open to multiculturalism or not… it also goes back to the old school days of the colonies where people used to go abroad to work (for government, armed forces or private folirms) and brought back new culture….

I can’t imagine why.

Routine check really for non-EU people … 😀