What exactly are they voting on?

When the legislation enabling Brexit got debated in the Lords, the Peers inserted a number of amendments which would make a hard Brexit much less likely. Now the legislation comes back to the Commons and MPs vote on whether to overturn these amendments.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-tory-mp-resigns-from-government-over-brexit-11402270

I hope a few others show some integrity too.

I hope a few others show some integrity too.

Theres more chance of me marrying Kylie

By the sounds of it, May is getting pretty desperate. Apparently the present line from number 10 is ‘vote with me, or you’ll end up with Boris as PM’

Which goes to show that despite being the most shambolic government ever to have been in office, that the previous line of ‘vote with me, or you’ll end up with Jeremy Corbyn as PM’ simply isn’t credible in anyones book

And this is being highlighted by the man himself whipping his MP’s to abstain on key votes over the next 2 days, therefore spurning the chance to defeat the government, and missing the opportunity of presenting a more credible Brexit policy than the present muddled nonsense coming from the labour front bench

Can’t quite believe how useless Corbyn is. With all what is going on, he should be on the attack on all fronts. But no.

Corbyn has spent his entire career, such as it is, denouncing the EU.

The Tory’s are busy delivering what he’s always wanted, so he’s no intention of doing anything to stop them

I truly despair at the opposition to this government.

Corbyn is too blinded by ideology to seek a pragmatic solution.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-tory-mp-resigns-from-government-over-brexit-11402270

Whispers of a revolt, leadership challenge and more to follow Lee with numbers up in the air at the moment

Leadership challenge leads to replacing awful with bat shit crazy. No winners in that scenario

I very much doubt there will be a leadership challenge now – none of the contenders want to be the next tory leader as they know its only leading to opposition and being blamed for the brexit mess.  they want to be the leader after next.

I’m out, apparently.

nah there wont be a revolt Lee is ajust a rare politician being honest with the electorate, the government & most MPs will keep pushing the same story that we can get what we want, itll be quick & easy etc etc

In the meantime more auto manufacturers will follow JLR, ironic that such a ‘british’ company would be the first to start moving  thanks to brexit, they said in September that they were only expanding their Slovakia plant as a hedge against brexit.

Its obvious that JLR can see that none of the governments plans as workable; max fac or customs partnership

todays votes just kicking the can further.

Imagine if your Job was delivering a project and before a huge meeting you didn’t read what was going on

Davis stumbles over Grieve’s proposed change

The Brexit secretary admits he “hasn’t had a lot of time” to read and consider the amendment that would bind the government to be answerable to Parliament if it secures no deal by November 2018 and February 2019.

Amid braying from the opposition benches, he shoots back: “This is an interesting perception of Labour’s view of how easy it is to make constitutional law on the fly.”

He insists the government will not back down any more and change its own amendments.

The complete incompetence is now becoming just day to day normality

It’s all a bit of an unholy mess, really

Institute for Government has done an anlysis of the governmente Brexit prep

10,000 new staff, £2billion quid……………

and they are not ready & wont be ready any time soon

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/IFGJ6279-Preparing-Brexit-Whitehall-Report-180607-FINAL-3c.pdf

some interesting points: last time customs procedures were changed in EU it took 7 years to implemement from deciding structure to rolling out, we have 2.5 years & have decided what structure will be yet & wont know before October at very earliest

nearly all non-brexit related work has been put on the back burner & will be for years to come

basically because May,Cabinet, Tory party, Government all divided on what brexit means whitehall paralysed & unable to plan properly, in contrast EU set its position out early on, finalising their offer early this year, they wont change from what theyve put on teh table now.

Insane & unjustified amounts of secrecy means no department or par;aiament knows what other teams are up to- making the work almost impossible when some areas really require very highly specialised ‘experts’

There are
over 300 ‘EU exit workstreams’ across almost 20 departments. But each of these
workstreams is having to prepare for multiple scenarios with different deadlines and
different outcomes. Perhaps most critically, all of these plans must add up to a single,
coherent response from government.

Despite
the fact that the Border Planning Group brings together the UK’s border expertise,
that border was excluded from its original remit. The Border Planning Group was only
given oversight of the Irish land border in April 2018.

Firms in the financial services sector, for instance, started enacting
contingency plans for a ‘no deal’ scenario months ago, after general reassurances from
the Chancellor and Treasury failed to persuade. Manufacturing firms, in particular in
the automotive and life sciences industries, are also now pressing the button on
contingency plans without guidance from government.

That’s the fallacy, people simply expect that shutting borders will immediately mean that more positions are filled by British born employees, not realising that training takes years and that’s before you have to free up funding for infrastructure projects.

Ive tried explaining this to a pet Brexiteer at the pub who responded along the lines of “blue passports and control, innit”.

I’m learning to save my breath for explaining income tax to my cat, who’d have a far greater chance of grasping that concept.

Squeaky bum time for Maybot

does she cave in & allow a meaningful vote or risk losing what looks like  an increasingly shaky vote for her.

Only scheduling 12hrs for the15 votes has turned HoC into a bit of a frothing mess, I think some Tory rebels backs are up now

It does appear to be raining will of the people form the more gammony members there, it’s as if they are worried something might not be all right with the plan

This government has staked it’s very reputation upon delivering Brexit, but after ten years of stagnant wages, austerity and growing dissatisfaction with the status quo, the Tories are terrified that an economic hiccup will result in another 1997.

I’m just relieved that despite the seeming chaos, unpreparedness and lack of direction there are “grown ups” behind the scenes who’ve got the matter in hand.

I’m just relieved that despite the seeming chaos, unpreparedness and lack of direction there are “grown ups” behind the scenes who’ve got the matter in hand.

Pffft and, indeed, Wibble.

From the office of the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union

and backbone went to jelly

**** bottlers

All on a promised amendment that has yet to be specified apparently, and like the **** worms they are…..

sounds like May has climbed down & agreeing to Grieves text being in the bill

And May’s election decision bites her on the arse again. Weak and wobbly.

no shes only climbed down on half of it, basically the non-binding bit

so we could still get a no deal, even though the government havent prepared for one! made even more likely as the both the Tory ‘plans’ & the labour arent acceptable to the EU

edit peston disagrees with my assessment

In buckling to pressure from Tory Remainer rebels, led by Grieve and @DrPhillipLeeMP, May has more-or-less abandoned the threat the UK could leave the EU without a deal. To the chagrin of True Brexiters, No-Deal Brexit is dead https://t.co/WqxTxDilob

— Robert Peston (@Peston) June 12, 2018

no shes only climbed down on half of it, basically the non-binding bit

Thats how I read the results, I mean I hope Pestons appraisal is more accurate than mine, but I’m struggling with it.

Timing is everything, I suspect that if things get testy with the EU there will be a coup attempt from one faction or other.  Numerically, there seems to be a growing number of Remain MPs and it would appear that the initial Brexit fantasy of a low-tax, low regulation marketplace off the shore of mainland Europe will be hideously damaging to the electoral fortunes of the Conservative Party.

I am so confused with all of this now.

More plate spinning 🙂

**** bottlers

All on a promised amendment that has yet to be specified apparently, and like the **** worms they are…..

Well when it’s their jobs on the line 🙂

Just seen Aaron Banks on the telly, oh he is cruising for a bruising.

The gist of Banks’s defence is that he wasn’t to be taken seriously and that his campaign needed to appeal to emotion instead of reason.

If he was as above board as he claims, then why obscure his business dealings in Gibraltar away from prying eyes here?

*answers on a postcard to: “I’ve nothing to hide, honest guv” competition, 1 The Money Was Just Resting In My Account, Craggy Island…

Has Davis offered to resign yet ?

I’m not convinced by any of this. Going to get those german classes booked again.

So brexies MPs think May hasn’t given anything away, the rebels say she told them she has.

She’s kicked the can for 5 whole days until it gets written up.

Then someone’s gonna be right pissed off !

Irony obviously being that no deal hasn’t been an option possibly since b4 we triggered a50

Who knows where this will end up, but yes it does seem like more can kicking…  Stolen from another forum…

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No 10 sources say agreement is for more discussions, with ‘likely implication’ of a new amendment – again, that’s not what more than a dozen MPs believe the PM told them earlier tonight – three of them present told me the PM even said ‘this is a matter of trust’… trouble ahead”

If she does go back on assurances, it destroys any hope of ‘rebels’ trusting assurances in the future, and it’s not the end of thingsso they still have many, many opportunities to nerf Brexit. She hasn’t won the war if she does that. If she does that she’s won the battle but lost the war

Edit:: From another tweet,

One of the Tory rebels told me earlier – ‘if she ****s us, she’s ****ed’

And from Faisal Islam

One rebel just told me if the Government reneges on the PMs personal assurances made this afternoon on meaningful vote – they will vote it down next week…

May is certainly walking on a knife edge..

Our political editor @nicholaswatt has details of a row after conflicting accounts of what Theresa May told Conservative pro-European MPs #newsnight pic.twitter.com/ecR4dsOx7d

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) June 12, 2018