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  • EU Referendum – are you in or out?
  • oldmanmtb
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    Looks like we are 28th in line for a trade deal with Australia and New Zealand…..

    Think the Fox was caught napping.. .

    binners
    Full Member

    To be clear…. when they say we’ve all lost 900 quid, is that all of us?

    Does it include the boomer pensioners who overwhelmingly voted for it, and are the only demographic in the U.K. to actually see their real incomes rise in the last ten years?

    oldmanmtb
    Free Member

    Don’t you worry Binners the private sector care system will strip them of their wealth…..

    mikewsmith
    Free Member

    <p class=”story-body__introduction”>The post-Brexit customs system favoured by Boris Johnson and other leading Brexiteers could cost businesses up to £20bn, officials have suggested.</p>
    The chief executive of HM Revenue and Customs told MPs firms would have to pay £32.50 for each customs declaration under the so-called “max fac” solution.

    John Thompson said any new system could take up to five years to fully work.

    A “functioning border” was possible by the end of the transition period but he said it would not be “fully optimal”.

    Kerrrching!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44229606

    The key to Post Brexit Revenue generation – Capita and the likes will be rubbing their hands

    kelvin
    Full Member

    So… quite apart from the annual cost of that fantasy scheme… what exactly can be ready for next year? Ready for a “better than a bad deal” no deal exit?

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Eeerie silence from the brexies…..

    Klunk
    Free Member

    Danish lady married to a British man for 39 year (a Councillor & one time mayor of Ipswich to boot) denied citizenship…. Brexit really is making us look like muppets!

    kelvin
    Full Member

    She was a LibDem councillor though… perhaps the purge of the unbelievers has begun?

    zippykona
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    It’s about time those greedy exporters were hit hard with a tax.

    Those **** bringing foreign FOREIGN dirty **** money into this country.

    Ban all exports I say.

    We explicitly voted for it.

    Klunk
    Free Member
    DrJ
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    Danish lady married to a British man for 39 year (a Councillor & one time mayor of Ipswich to boot) denied citizenship…. Brexit really is making us look like muppets!

    Not just muppets – note the reason for her rejection:
    “She said her rejection was on the basis of her not having a permanent residency card, which has been obligatory since November 2016”
    and compare with the gov website: (https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-a-uk-residence-card)
    “You don’t need to apply for a document to prove you can live in the UK unless you’re both:
    .)from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland<span class=”text_exposed_show”>
    .)an extended family member of someone from the EEA or Switzerland”</span>
    <div class=”text_exposed_show”>

    This high profile case will no doubt be sorted. But what about others who were not city mayors, and don’t get their face in the papers?

    </div>

    oldnpastit
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    I know Klunk already noted this, but that trainwreck letter from Dominic Cummings is well worth a read:

    You can dance around the fundamental issues all you want but in the end ‘reality cannot be fooled’.

    https://dominiccummings.com/

    binners
    Full Member

    Aaaah … Dominic Cummings. A face you would never tire of punching

    Summed up nicely by Nick Cohen in Sundays Observer

    Nick Cummings – the true cowardly face of the Brexiters

    mrmo
    Free Member

    At least Godfrey Bloom is being honest, the point is to get the foreigners out.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Brexit exposing brexiters (& the nation’s) hypocrisy again & again

    https://twitter.com/PhilipCJames/status/999562557793988608?s=19

    oldmanmtb
    Free Member

    Godfrey Bloom the man that made UKIP squirm…

    oldmanmtb
    Free Member

    Sooo customs union until 2023 and probably free movement, no trade deals, change of government another generation of old farts gone.

    All change…

    igm
    Full Member

    Good

    if that is the case.

    mrmo
    Free Member

    Sooo customs union until 2023 and probably free movement, no trade deals, change of government another generation of old farts gone.

    Not really, if Brexit isn’t stopped by next March the UK is out of the EU. It may be in a permanent limbo, but which company will invest without certainty.

    tjagain
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    Unless May proposes something acceptable to the EU for NI or accepts that the backstop deal she made is binding there will be no deal, no transition and we crash out in under a year with nothing in place

    kimbers
    Full Member

    The whole shambles is beyond a joke now.

    Crazy thing is plenty of people still think brexit’s a good idea

    Still some laughs to be had at our misfortune

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/25/brexit-boris-johnson-dominic-cummings

    oldmanmtb
    Free Member

    Its interesting watching the slow decline of “sensible” Brexiteers, the gradual withdrawal and what we have left is the Reese Mogg, Redwoods and half hearted Boris and Gove even Liam Fox has virtually disappeared.

    May and Davis are desperate to keep the Party together as they know if they let Boris and Mogg in it is the end for them.

    They know they can’t deliver it, I wonder if they would prefer to loose a general election? And let the opposition cope with it then shout at them?

    We are in a period of desperate politics.

    Northwind
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    We’ll build our own satellite system! With hookers, and blackjack!

    mrlebowski
    Free Member

    I think we are going off a cliff face with Brexit – nobody could be as inept as this Gov without it being deliberate!

    tjagain
    Full Member

    I disagree.  Its a toxic mix of wishful thinking, incompetence and dogma

    oldnpastit
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    From the “You couldn’t make this stuff up” category:

    Daniel Hannan, earlier this year:

    No matter how much Tusk might wish it, there will be no second referendum, and no cancellation of Brexit

    And now:

    Daniel Hannan Backs Second EU Referendum If MPs Vote For Customs Union

    Oh, and a deliciously ironic quote: “I had assumed that, by now, we’d have reached a broad national consensus around a moderate form of withdrawal that recognised the narrowness of the result,” he said.

    Remind me, what happens when you assume?

    kimbers
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    Pretty brazen arse covering from Hannan there , much like Cummings.

    The desperate scrabble of those responsible to blame everyone but themselves for the shitshow. Just shows how arrogant they are that they don’t have a shred of humility

    tjagain
    Full Member

    especially ironic as Hannon (IIRC) it a far right ultra leaver

    oldnpastit
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    especially ironic as Hannon (IIRC) it a far right ultra leaver

    I don’t know. I think his position seems to vary with the weather.

    zippykona
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    Would you prefer definitely staying in the single market or risking a second referendum ?

    We could end up with Remainers voting for brexit and leavers voting for a chance to stay in the eu.

    oldnpastit
    Full Member

    Have we done the latest?

    In the Sun today:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6423932/david-davis-northern-ireland-brexit-plans-dup/

    The “Customs Partnership” is now apparently dead.

    And “MaxFac” has had the fancy non-existent Unicorn-based “technology” abandoned.

    Leaving…David Davis proposing a 10 mile buffer zone with joint EU/UK rules. Or some such.

    You can say whatever you like, but eventually your lies and half-truths run up against reality.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    customs partnership and max fac were never alive.  Both options are not acceptable to the EU and that was made perfectly clear

    binners
    Full Member

    And as we plummet further through the la-la-land Brexit looking glass….

    Brexiter Nigel Lawson applies for French residency

    You couldn’t make it up!

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Have they done anything towards keeping “our” rights to live and work all over Europe yet? Or is it just the rights of money and goods (and the rich) to move that matters? Not that they really have a clue yet what to do there either… clearly…

    Small piece of good news… looks like the new and improved Erasmus scheme will be open to our kids in future still. Genuine good news. Of course, might not get bar work etc to help pay for time spent at a Uni abroad… (but once again, the kids of the rich will be just fine).

    Uh oh… I can feel a rant about Corbyn coming up…

    tjagain
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    some progress but not much.  Most EU countries will accept UK citizens on a very minor bureaucratic proceedure if the live there on brexit day, no onward travel rights tho

    An interesting courtcase going on at the moment at the ECJ where a bunch of brit ex pats living in the netherlands are asking the court to rule if their rights as EU citizens can be removed or not.  A decent chance of winning which would mean UK citizens would still have all EU rights if they hold a EU passport including fredom of movement and right of appeal to the ECJ no matter what the UK government legislates

    kimbers
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    I’m waiting for all the brexies to announce that Italy’s dodgy government heralds the imminent collapse of the EU….?

    I thought Soros had some good tjouthou on what the EU could do to address the immigration problems that are causing trouble in italy & elsewhere.

    Lawson is a hypocrite, but is too rich to care

    grahamt1980
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    Is that court case saying that an eu passport would be required or would it apply to everyone born before brexit day?

    As effectively we have had our citizenship removed dezpite the passport.

    Would this be likely to lead to the associate membership that has been mentioned before

    tjagain
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    graham – hard to say as we don’t know what the ruling will be.  could well be tho

    tjagain
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