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  • Premier Icon Del
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    ha! if you just type ‘0’ STW forum comes back and says you must type some content!

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    did they all break the skin or cause bruising?

    Why is that relevant?

    I don’t think 5 bites is that much. If you ride a lot, you will always come up against dogs off the lead who will chase you, farmyards guarded by dogs etc. You are going to get bitten at some point. Inevitable part of riding off road if you’ve been at it long enough.

    Is it bollocks, I’ve never been bitten, despite riding off road through farms. Those collies wont hurt you if you stop and tell them to get ****. They are not guarding the place they just happen to live there.
    So in summary you’ve been bitten once, had your bike bitten once and another time you ran into a dog in the last 3 years.

    In the last 3 years my dog has been bitten by another dog and a dog owner threatened me with a fire extinguisher after I told him that if he kicked his dog again I would kick him.

    johndoh
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    I don’t like dogs at all but, boy, the OP tale was an absurd over-reaction.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    I don’t like dogs at all but, boy, the OP tale was an absurd over-reaction.

    You need to do some research. This wasn’t about the dog.

    no the OP would have been a lot more rude and called the police…….It sniffed my bag!!!!

    johndoh
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    The not liking dogs came out in the reaction though didn’t it. If they were dog lovers it wouldn’t have happened.

    But I know what you are saying.

    And the OP was still very silly.

    I’d like to have been on the other side of the phone in the Police Control Centre had they called….

    richc
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    How often is everyone else getting bitten or bothered then?

    Ummm I think I got nipped once (back of arm) about 10 years ago, was more like a
    pinch than a bite though (my nephew who is 6 pinches harder). So that one tenuous one in ~ 30 years; and I have been more injured by toddlers than dogs over the years.

    verses – Member

    did they all break the skin or cause bruising?

    Why is that relevant?

    I was just wondering how badly hurt he was after each dog attack, as it would explain why he was so nervous. I’ve never heard of anyone getting bitten as much as aracer.

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Has nickf gone?

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    Those collies wont hurt you if you stop and tell them to get ****.

    Exactly what I did. Got all big and shouty, got off the bike as I thought I actually needed to this time. Then I got bitten.

    another time you ran into a dog

    No it ran after me, then into me.

    Common denominator is that the owner is nowhere to be seen.

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    johndoh – Member

    The not liking dogs came out in the reaction though didn’t it. If they were dog lovers it wouldn’t have happened.

    I’m not sure about that. I’ve owned dogs for most of my adult life and still got stroppy when some idiot let his dog knock my child over on the beach.

    (“It’s okay, he’s friendly” as the dog threw its paws onto my daughter’s shoulders and knocked her into the water she was paddling through…)

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    I think some people need to work on their reading and comprehension skills:

    aracer wrote:

    Reported by mrs aracer, not experienced directly by me

    aracer wrote:

    I’ve already said that I’m tolerant of dogs which are under control – I actually quite like dogs (which aren’t interfering with me and my stuff).

    aracer wrote:

    Just how irrational would it be for me to be afraid of dogs?

    (the last one might require you to engage your brain to work out exactly what I’m saying)

    Premier Icon Yak
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    Ok then – I suspect all the dog lovers have rarely had an issue and all the people indifferent to dogs have had a bit of bother. Not really a surprise given that the dog lovers are experienced in dealing with dogs and the rest of us tolerate them when necessary only.

    But I don’t want to engage with a dog when I’m out and about. I don’t do anything special around cows and they don’t bother me. Same for sheep, badgers, bats, dogging people etc… anything and anyone really.

    Just dogs….

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    Oh and for those who need a bit of help with why I’ve been bitten:

    aracer wrote:

    I’ve been bitten at least 5 times I can think of, the only thing I was doing wrong in any of those incidents was either running or riding a bike (and been told that I should have stopped running/riding rather than them keep their dog under control).

    The times I’ve been bitten (I can remember):
    – running past a travellers encampment on a FP, didn’t see dog until it came running out and sank its teeth into my leg. Bite drew blood.
    – biking on Malvern Hills, dog running loose way ahead of people it was with bit me on the foot as I biked past. Put a hole in my shoe and bruising on my foot. Came back for a second go and got a kick. Apparently I should have stopped when I saw the dog.
    – running interval session on Malvern Common, chased and bitten by puppy. Drew blood. Apparently it was my fault, not that of the dog or the owner as it was an untrained puppy and I should have stopped running.
    – riding on tracks near Minehead, bitten by loose dog as I rode past. Drew blood. Owner actually very apologetic for a change and took in what I said about control of dog, given which I kept my calm and was polite to her.
    – riding downhill on a different track near Minehead, loose slates making a lot of noise. Bitten by loose dog well away from owner, which came back at me for a second go ignoring her attempt at “control”. Owner tells me it’s all my fault for riding fast down the track, not having a bell etc. Oh and bite drew blood – as with all cases apart from the shoe, bite was onto bare skin.

    Clearly the common theme here is that I’m not actually being wary enough of the dogs!

    richc
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    Clearly the common theme here is that I’m not actually being wary enough of the dogs!

    and you have shitty luck!

    johndoh
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    I’m not sure about that. I’ve owned dogs for most of my adult life and still got stroppy when some idiot let his dog knock my child over on the beach.

    But would you have got annoyed at a puppy looking in a bag on the floor?

    andyrm
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    I think some people need to work on their reading and comprehension skills:

    (the last one might require you to engage your brain to work out exactly what I’m saying)

    Oh and for those who need a bit of help with why I’ve been bitten:

    Now it may just be the tone you write on the internet, but I am definitely picking up a pattern in the way you address people who have a different viewpoint to yours – it’s rather condescending and confrontational.

    Having never met you or your mrs, I can’t comment on whether this carries over into real life and she also speaks to people in real life like that, but if the tone of engagement is similar to the above posts, I can very easily see how the situation could have escalated.

    And the comment below pretty perfectly describes how it should have been handled.

    However, if I left a bag laying about and a puppy disappeared into it head first I’d think it was hilarious. Because puppies are cute and I’m watching a baby with an unquenchable curiosity get into humorous scrapes. Were I to shoo it away, I’d do so with the same tone and attitude I’d use with a toddler. Gentle firm and in good humour.

    You might have done likewise. You might have yelled angrily and aggressively. And the answer to that pretty much decides who was being the tool in your case.

    richc
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    This appears to be a favourite topic for aracer:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=singletrackworld+aracer+dog+site:singletrackworld.com&client=ubuntu&hs=hJE&channel=fs&biw=1601&bih=685&gws_rd=ssl#channel=fs&q=aracer+dog+site:singletrackworld.com

    Thinking about it, I seem to vaguely remember him boasting about trying to lead off the leash dogs in parks onto busy roads so they get hit/cause an accident with cars as well; as he was under the belief they should always be in sight and under close supervision and not follow him even if he encourages them. If he is/was based in Bristol and rides in Leigh Woods then I am pretty certain it was him as I remember getting pretty annoyed.

    In case it wasn’t aracer I aplogise in advance

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    My wife got very angry once because some dog was sniffing my sack. The police weren’t called but she chased the dog off, thankfully.

    I’ve been bitten by dogs twice. I don’t now have a fear of dogs, I have a dislike of two particular dogs. To be fair, one of them was pretty scared at the time and unfortunately possessed no other way of letting me know this. I once got mugged in my teens too. I would consider it irrational if I was now scared of all people.

    You can’t shout at puppies, they’re puppies, look at them! Look at them!

    Like babies but funnier and furrier. I’d have scooped it into the bag and run off! Free dog for Funkmaster woo hoo ๐Ÿ˜€

    AdamW
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    I am begging everyone. Do *not* post pictures from Anne Geddes on here in retaliation for funkmaster’s image. Even thinking about them makes my brain hurt. ๐Ÿ˜€

    Without wishing to make it sound like its your fault aracer but it does sound like you could do with spending sometime around dogs with someone who knows what they are doing as you appear to have gone beyond unlucky. Other than dont go near traveller camps I havent got any advice for you. All the attacks seem to involve running or riding though. Stopping or slowing when you see dogs might be worth thinking about. In an ideal world you wouldnt need to but we dont live in an ideal world and dogs like kids can be a bit unpredictable (as the guy in the garden centre found out on sunday when my 3 year old son punched him in the pods).

    Okay, rational post time – shouting at pups achieves nothing. They don’t understand what is happening and you could well be creating more problems than your short term “solution” solves not least a fear of strangers and the undermining of the owners authority. You wouldn’t act like that towards a toddler so don’t act likewise towards pups (or dogs in general unless you are in danger).

    rewski
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    Oh shut up you big meanies, I had to leave my poor little puppy on a drip at the vets tonight, might need X-ray and surgery tomorrow, poor thing.

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    aracer, maybe have look at what’s in your bathroom?

    Swap the Bovril for Radox or Imperial Leather, perhaps?

    andyrm
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    aracer, maybe have look at what’s in your bathroom?

    Swap the Bovril for Radox or Imperial Leather, perhaps?

    I think we have a candidate for post of the year here!!! One of the funniest things I’ve read on STW in a long, long time ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Without wishing to make it sound like its your fault aracer but it does sound like you could do with spending sometime around dogs with someone who knows what they are doing as you appear to have gone beyond unlucky.

    Why on earth would I want to do that? Next door has a dog which is lovely, I’m quite happy for it to be around me though they will tend to call it away from other people anyway. Nothing at all I could have done about most of the cases as I didn’t see the dog until it was on top of me – one of them I was on quite a steep climb so couldn’t have slowed any more! As I said when I first mentioned the number of bites I had, the only thing I’ve done wrong is running or biking. About the only one where I could have stopped between seeing the dog and getting bitten was the interval running session, and for obvious reasons I wasn’t about to interrupt my session when I assumed the owner would actually control the dog (again by the time it was on me and I realised the attack was going to happen it was too late).

    Of course in all cases the dogs have been dangerously out of control, and in 3 of them the owners didn’t appear to acknowledge their responsibility and actually blamed me, which is the bit which bothers me.

    Excellent troll.

    andyrm
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    About the only one where I could have stopped between seeing the dog and getting bitten was the interval running session, and for obvious reasons I wasn’t about to interrupt my session when I assumed the owner would actually control the dog (again by the time it was on me and I realised the attack was going to happen it was too late).

    Maybe I grew up in a different time (the 80’s) but we always learned not to run away from dogs as that would wind them up?

    I keep coming back to the same thought that nobody gets bitten 5 times by 5 different dogs without doing something wrong themselves.

    When you are out riding or running are you wearing a suit made from meat products or have pockets full of Dentastix? This could be where you are going wrong and the reason for all the biting.

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    Andy wrote:

    I keep coming back to the same thought that nobody gets bitten 5 times by 5 different dogs without doing something wrong themselves.

    Proximate cause?

    andyrm
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    Quoting back something at me is not answering or addressing the latest point raised. I stand by it. You must be doing something wrong to be “attacked” by 5 different dogs. The statistical odds of that happening would appear to be very low.

    Even so, the issue of this whole thing being blown up out of all proportion also stands.

    – Woman stupidly leaves bag unattended
    – Puppy sniffs bag
    – People act inappropriately and situation escalates

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    What do you think I’m doing “wrong” then to make me such a frequent victim?

    I see you also still have a reading and comprehension failure, that or deliberately misrepresenting.

    why on earth would I want to do that

    Because dogs keep biting you

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    The statistical odds of that happening would appear to be very low.

    Can I see your working please

    200 000 รท however many people in the UK x 100 = not much

    Premier Icon DavidB
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    Failed hypothesis. Now try number of (runners + MTB riders) / dog bite incidents

    andyrm
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    I see you also still have a reading and comprehension failure, that or deliberately misrepresenting.

    I’m not going to turn this into something personal but II see you have fallen into the same trap that I highlighted earlier – this attitude probably doesn’t help in these or other situations. Try not to be so confrontational and look down on people just because they have another standpoint. As I posted before, with an attitude like that where you come across as thinking everyone is beneath you, it’s no wonder situations escalate.

    What do you think I’m doing “wrong” then to make me such a frequent victim?

    Drawing on anecdotal evidence, you run/ride away, rather than stopping. This lets a dog think you want to play “chase”. When dogs play chase with other dogs, they often give a little play nip. If you run away, you behave like a dog, so expect dog-like behaviour in return. Stop, stand calmly and let it come and sniff you, see you are not a dog or a threat to it’s master and then move on. Simple.

    I’ve been riding since 1992, have always gone through farmland, tracks, parks etc and have never been bitten by a dog. In fact of all the hundreds of riders I know only one has been – and she was only nipped by a collie on a farm when she took a wrong turn into the yard.

    I can’t help thinking that there’s definitely something being done wrong, and first 2 things I think of are firstly the running away thing, and secondly hostility towards dog/owner which naturally drives the dog to defend it’s master from what it interprets as an aggressor.

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    andyrm if I did that on my rides I’d never cycle anywhere. The Ridgeway near Swindon is packed with dog walkers at the weekend and you cannot stop for every single loose dog.

    I was bitten in Savernacre forest by a dog that leapt out of the bushes and gnashed on my leg. I had no way of seeing it, stopping or “making myself not a threat”. My Mum was badly bitten by a neighbour’s Alsation that calmly walked up to her, put its paws on her chest and then bit her savagely on the arm. Sadly the dog was immediately destroyed as it had done this before. Mum did not know that. Walking on the Devon Coast path a huge Labrador bounded towards me whilst I was walking down a steep hill and leapt up pushing me to the floor, I sustained cuts and then vitriol from the owners who could not understand why I was so angry.

    None of these situations fit your advice. Dogs can be unpredictable. Owners should be able to control them at a moments notice when others are around. Simple.

    None of these situations fit your advice. Dogs can be unpredictable. Owners should be able to control them at a moments notice when others are around. Simple.

    Does the first part not mean the second is impossible?
    and are the people who keep getting bitten the ones who believe what you are saying should be the case.
    Horses are unpredictable but people slow down for them and pass with great care

    Failed hypothesis. Now try number of (runners + MTB riders) / dog bite incidents

    smart arse fail, we’d need to know how many of the bites involved runners too if thats the number you want.

    much less than 200 000/quite a lot x 100

    Premier Icon DavidB
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    It’s not smart arse, it’s basic maths I had assumed “dog bite incidents” to be related to the runners/cyclists.

    Don’t throw generalist stats about to describe a specific problem. Unless you are a politician that is. The point is runners/cyclists are probably much more at risk from dog bites than the general population, especially if you follow andyrm’s logic.

    And please don’t dodge this, it applies to all animal owners dogs/horses/rats/snakes/parents.

    “Owners should be able to control them at a moments notice when others are around. Simple.”

    neilwheel
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    Does the first part not mean the second is impossible?
    and are the people who keep getting bitten the ones who believe what you are saying should be the case.
    Horses are unpredictable but people slow down for them and pass with great care

    That is just really daft.

    If an owner can not control their dog verbally then it should be on a lead and muzzled if necessary.

    Dogs are not horses. Ridiculous comparison.

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