Donald! Trump!

I see they tried the old ‘we published the allegation while making clear it wasn’t true’ trick

Like most of what Trump say?

You get loonier by the day.

Odd, who is more dangerous, the bloke who knows how to play the media like a fiddle, or the woman who sends top secret information to her own unsecure email server to avoid FOI laws?

As far as I know (and this comes from watching episodes of ‘The Good Wife’ lol) libel laws are different in the US- something along the lines of having to prove that you didn’t libel someone, whereas in the UK you have to prove that you did..

who is more dangerous

What is this piss easy questions for beginners?

Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates. The outcome is far from certain imo

😯 bonkers

yes indeed. Daily Mail has already published a retraction, that won’t save them from a world of legal pain and expense.

This is just a part of the strategy of introducing the inflammatory topic, stepping back, then letting the hard of thinking run with it.
Trump uses the same by making a statement, for example, that a particular racial group are violent druggies that need imprisioningbut what are you going to do? Eh? Eh?
Blue touch paper well and truly lit.
There was a more recent campaign in this country where the same was used. I can’t remember what it was though. The same level of dodgy tactics were used.

Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates. The outcome is far from certain imo

Better in what way? Could you be a bit more specific as I just see a crazy attention seeking idiot?

I know Jamba spouts nothing but drivel, but that’s a bit harsh captainsasquatch.

😆

Comment about Trumps speech the other night

<blockquote class=”twitter-tweet” data-lang=”en”><p lang=”en” dir=”ltr”>The best part about Trump’s plan is that it only needs two things to be successful:

1. Some trains
2. Ovens.</p>— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) September 1, 2016

And quite a few people have compared the current situation in the US to Germany in the 1930’s.

So the Dacre Daily had to back down.

She may not have been a “sex worker” then, but she sure as hell is one now.

Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates.

You are John Coleshaw, and I claim my 5 pounds.

And quite a few people have compared the current situation in the US to Germany in the 1930’s.

I am sure they have made that comparison so as to demonise Trump but the key differemce is he wants to deport people in the US illegally which is something the current law requires but its just not enforced. As he pointed our 1 million Mexicans enter the US legally everyday.

Hillary is looking increasingly in trouble over these emails – FBI trnascripts show her defence to questioning was the “I can’t remember” this time due to having a stroke in 2012. Can’t remember ever being given security training on what was classified material and relying on aids to only ever send her non-classified material 😯

2 and a bit months to go

so as to demonise Trump

the only thing required to demonise Trump is to quote him.

Except he won the nomination, really quite easily. He was up against a weak field,msound familiar ?

As I have said many times I thiught he’d drop out humiliated and had zero chance of winning even the GOP nomination. Now he is in a 2 horse race for The White House. He could win, he really could.

he cannot even win over all the republican party and he has the appeal to middle ground voters that Corbyn does. That is before we even get to the Latino and thr Black vote and the female vote

He is essentially half way between a bond villain and an Austin powers villain and his eau de cologne is hints of narcissistic megalomaniacal racist

Junior is a chip of the ol’ block 🙄

Junior is a chip of the ol’ block

Aye – comparing the “politically correct agenda” of Syrian refugees to eating Skittles. Amazing.

But as the BBC points out plenty of people are prepared to defend him and agree with that position!

Well just caught the second half of the debate, apparently Trump stronger to start but looked to get lost and more Trump like, the fact check isn’t looking as good for Trump either. The commentators handed it to Clinton and the awkwardness of the Trump camp after was telling with all the Clinton’s meeting and saying hello to people in the crowd.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check?lo=ut_a1

Trump-Clinton, if ever there was a sound reason for dictatorship its there, how did a country that gave us the Rooservolts, the Kennedys, Bush Snr and Obama get into this state?

What the hell….do 1 million Mexicans really enter US everyday!!!

The population of Mexico is less than 130 million..if that number was correct Mexico would be deserted in about 5 months

Gwaelod – maybe they all go back again in the evening?!!

I really don’t get all the vitriolic hatred for Clinton. Mainly in the american press and sections of its public. A few on here obviously really dislike her – Can you explain?
yes I know she is a career washington insider with a long record of being paranoid about privacy and thats a reason to dislike her but why the level of hatred?

A few on here obviously really dislike her – Can you explain?

I don’t have a full understanding of why she is so unpopular, but imagine Cherie Blair was the leader of the leader of the Labour party and see how that makes you feel.

Believe it or not, part of the reason is the fact she’s a woman!

I work with a lot of ‘Mericans.

The majority seem to hate Clinton, even the ones that don’t like Trump seem to hate Clinton more.

Speaking to some of them and there is a problem that anything seen as vaguely socialist/leftie is accused of being communism. There is a great fear and hatred of communism.

It seems that once you get outside California and New York, most of them would appear as gun toting red necks to us.

There is complete disillusionment with main stream politicians, hence the rise of Trump.

tjagain – Member

I really don’t get all the vitriolic hatred for Clinton. , but why the level of hatred?

Rockape63

Believe it or not, part of the reason is the fact she’s a woman!

Little or nothing to do with the fact she’s a woman. There have been at least two threads about this on here recently. The main reason Americans seem to hate her is because she’s totally corrupt – a living embodiment of everything that’s wrong with America’s political system.

Jambaliar will be along to cite Benghazi, e mail servers Clinton foundation etc all things that she has not been prosecuted for but throw enough mud and it sticks.

Amazingly a con man like Trump just seems to brush off anything or so his people think, when asked why he hadn’t made his tax returns public he said he was being audited and he couldn’t becuase it went against IRS rules which is a LIE, he also said he was clever in regards to his tax affairs. He didn’t know what a blind trust was if he was elected president, he said his kids would run the business 😆

Also the Trump University scandal hasn’t come into play or a lot of dealings with his charitable trust.

Trump is the most disiked Predisential nominee in history. Clinton is second. It’s a battle between two terrible candidates.

Trump said he’ll publish his tax returns once Hillary publishes the 33,000 emails she deleted before being investigated by the FBI. Everyone knows she used a private server for Government work so she can use “scrubbing software” and there would be no ability to restore them.

I am sure Trump doesn’t publish his returns as like most business owners he pays very little tax. As he said “that’s smart” after all he doesn’t make the rules. Clinton Foundation is far more shady. As I said two terrible candidates,

Trump said he’ll publish his tax returns once Hillary publishes the 33,000 emails she deleted before being investigated by the FBI

Except that we all know he would do no such thing. First is was the Audit, now it’s the e-mails. If the e-mails weren’t released he’s just find some other excuse.

Clinton has been censured by the FBI for the e mail thing but no charges were pressed as they didn’t have evidence, that’s it it is done, let it go. Trump acting like a child I will show you mine if you show me yours.

No comment on the blind trust thing Jambaliar?

There is a great fear and hatred of communism.

So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???
And them exchanging compliments?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35124280
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37307018
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-and-putins-relationship/500852/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opinion/donald-trumps-putin-crush.html

Or that he has multiple advisors who are very Russia-friendly:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2016/08/10/another-trump-adviser-with-deep-ties-to-russia/

Radio 4: The Briefing Room: Trump and Putin

As he pointed our 1 million Mexicans enter the US legally everyday.

And here is where the bullshit really does stick. Throw out enough impressive sounding stats and people who WANT those stats to be true will repeat them without bothering to fact check. See also the Brexit campaign for abject lies passed off as truths..

Here’s what the Pew Research CEnter says:

The number of Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. illegally has declined. In 2014, 5.6 million unauthorized immigrants from Mexico lived in the U.S., down by about 1 million since 2007. Despite the drop, Mexicans still make up about half (49% in 2014) of unauthorized immigrants. At the same time, unauthorized immigration overall has leveled off in recent years.

Lets not let facts get in the way of hyperbole though eh?

GrahamS – Member

So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???

Putin isn’t a communist. Not that this makes Trumps antics with Russia any less ridiculous.

Though, it’s got to be interesting with the real meshback vote, where socialism = communism = bad, there’s got to be an overlap with russia = communist = baddy. Maybe he can just take that vote for granted.

Really not sure what Trump gains from the Russia stuff though.

Oh, and this chart is interesting too:

GrahamS – Member
So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???

Putin isn’t a communist.

Exactly. What is Communist about Putin?

Trump-Clinton, if ever there was a sound reason for dictatorship its there, how did a country that gave us the Rooservolts, the Kennedys, Bush Snr and Obama get into this state?

You had a look at our choices at the moment? I don’t think we’ve any room to be throwing stones.

And as well as those names you listed, they also gave us Reagan, and not one, but two terms for Dubya. A man who looked like he needed a carer to tie his shoe laces for him in the morning.

But I agree that the contrast between the intelligent, dignified, statesmanlike Obama and these pair of clowns couldn’t be more glaring

I guess it depends if you view someone like Stalin as a communist or an ultra-nationalist hell bent on world domination. There’s little to suggest Uncle Joe wanted a communist utopia rather than just absolute power.

Like Putin

What is Communist about Putin?

He’s Russian – I’m just surprised that people with such an apparent paranoid fear of communism would make the distinction.

OzzyMan sums it up beautifully:

It would be excellent if the US and Russia got along better.