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  • Donald! Trump!
  • somafunk
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    A grave is the only bunker I’d like to see trump dig his way out of with a sand wedge

    frankconway
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    The judge, he say…no extension donny so the clock is now ticking.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/22/politics/trump-engoron-civil-fraud-order/index.html

    vlad_the_invader
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    Sooooo, if he has ran out of time wasting options and doesn’t have the cash, what’s next?

    (please say prison!)

    somafunk
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    Forced Asset sale if he cannot pay

    frankconway
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    he’s appealing – well, he isn’t; as usual, he’s said he will appeal the judgement.
    If he can’t/won’t, personally, put up the readies he can – in theory – borrow from a bank, use a bond company, put up assets.
    Bank or bond company are likely to see him as a potential bad debt and apply extortionate/usurious interest – goody, goody.
    His freedom to manoeuvre is constrained by the court appointed independent monitor – former federal judge – and independent compliance ditrector who will be appointed by the monitor.

    Northwind
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    TBF, this “must pay before you can appeal” system is deeply shitty, and it’s created a whole deeply shitty bond industry much like that have with bail bonds where being innocent of a crime can still absolutely financially destroy you and where people simply can’t afford or don’t dare to appeal.

    But on this occasion…

    vlad_the_invader
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    where being innocent of a crime can still absolutely financially destroy you and where people simply can’t afford or don’t dare to appeal. not roll over and plead guilty before the case even gets to court

    FTFY

    oldnpastit
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    Sooooo, if he has ran out of time wasting options and doesn’t have the cash, what’s next?
    (please say prison!)

    This is a civil case, no prison. But isn’t the Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, eyeing up criminal charges based on all that juicy evidence?

    (On top of the Stormy Daniels payoff case).

    vlad_the_invader
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    This is a civil case, no prison.

    So even failing to pay court imposed fines wouldn’t result in prison, no matter how big the fine? If so, that’s disappointing…

    mattyfez
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    I dunno about US law, but in a civil case in the UK, the court would appoint bailiffs to seize physical property and assets, if he refuses to pay the fine or agree to a strict payment schedule set out by the court.

    nickc
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    TBF, this “must pay before you can appeal” system is deeply shitty

    But isn’t unique or new, and Trump’s legal team must have known and advised Trump of such. He could of chosen not to make dodgy business deals that landed him ultimately in the situation he now finds himself.

    maccruiskeen
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    This is a civil case, no prison.

    So even failing to pay court imposed fines wouldn’t result in prison, no matter how big the fine?

    I’ve met a person, in prison, who were there following a civil case – they were behind bars because they  consistently didn’t comply with the outcome or pay the fines imposed. Long time ago now but I think he hadn’t paid his council tax.

    So Trump wouldn’t go to jail because of this trial – but you could in theory be imprisoned for your actions in relation to the trial and its outcomes.

    Bit like Chris Huhne managing to go to prison over a speeding ticket

    leffeboy
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    “this “must pay before you can appeal” system is deeply shitty, ”
    Agreed, but the reverse side is if you are a small person up against a corp with deep pockets it stops you ending up forever in appeals. No obvious solution

    vlad_the_invader
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    I’m surprised disappointed at least one judge hasn’t thrown him in prison for contempt of court. I’m pretty sure a lot of other defendants won’t have been given anywhere near as much latitude to take the piss as Trump has done…

    Rich_s
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    I’ve met a person, in prison, who were there following a civil case – they were behind bars because they consistently didn’t comply with the outcome or pay the fines imposed. Long time ago now but I think he hadn’t paid his council tax.

    That’s not a civil law thing. He’d been sent there by a magistrate. Clue is in the word “fine”. It’s likely because of an obligation from the state to pay your council tax.

    Bit like Chris Huhne managing to go to prison over a speeding ticket

    He was convicted for perverting the course of justice, not speeding. As was his ex.

    Anyway, I’ve no idea how the yanks do things but it’s a fascinating thing to watch

    MSP
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    I’m surprised disappointed at least one judge hasn’t thrown him in prison for contempt of court. I’m pretty sure a lot of other defendants won’t have been given anywhere near as much latitude to take the piss as Trump has done…

    Yeah, I am so far amazed that the calling a judge corrupt, doesn’t bring far higher penalties.

    zippykona
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    Does any of this reduce the chance of him becoming president?

    nickc
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    No.

    Personally, regardless of Trump individually, I think you should be able to vote for some-one even if they are in prison.

    timba
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    Does any of this reduce the chance of him becoming president?

    Person spec:

    martinhutch
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    I see Liz Truss has turned up at CPAC on a platform next to the human dumpster that is Bannon, a natural progression in her epic political journey from fresh-faced LibDem teen to Monster Raving Loony candidate.

    MoreCashThanDash
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    Personally, regardless of Trump individually, I think you should be able to vote for some-one even if they are in prison.

    As proven by Bobby Sands, of course.

    maccruiskeen
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    That’s not a civil law thing. He’d been sent there by a magistrate. Clue is in the word “fine”. It’s likely because of an obligation from the state to pay your council tax.

    I was just pointing out that a civil case can start a chain of events that become a criminal case if you can’t or refuse to comply. Interestingly this guy was referred to as a ‘civil prisoner’ and clothes, privileges, conditions have more in common with the the folk on remand than those who were convicted although those things might also have been due to the sentence being pretty short – 14 days I think.

    I think of all the people I met in there he was the unhappiest.

    maccruiskeen
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    Personally, regardless of Trump individually, I think you should be able to vote for some-one even if they are in prison.

    It may not precluding him being on the ballot paper and theres nothing in the constitution that expressly disallows it as it has probably not really been envisaged before now. But if elected there likely tools within the constitution relating to a president being incapacitated. So while you can vote for someone if they are in prison – if being in prison prevents the president from being able to do the job of president that might prevent them actually being inaugurated or result in their removal soon after.

    I get the feeling if democracy in the US survives the next 5 years or so we might see a bit a polishing up of the constitution and a few new amendments to put some safety rails put in place to guard against some of this nonsense in future. Hindsight and all that.

    oldnpastit
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    Judge Engoran has signed the order, so the clock starts ticking today – he has 30 days to appeal.

    $454M in total.

    I think if I had previously loaned money to Trump, at this point I would be wanting it back ASAP.

    boomerlives
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    Yeah, I am so far amazed that the calling a judge corrupt, doesn’t bring far higher penalties.

    Protected speech under the 1st amendment. You can also call the police fascist pigs and they have to suck it up.

    Or they can shoot you.

    smoothtalent
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    I have a bad feeling he is going to win.

    Daffy
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    Yeah, but will he be utterly broke when he does? How will that play out when he’s not allowed to earn additional income during his time as POTUS? Will he even want the job?

    dakuan
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     How will that play out when he’s not allowed to earn additional income during his time as POTUS?

    Absolutely fine (for him)!

    thols2
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    I’m hoping that these Republican voters who are unhappy with Trump keep to their word and either stay home or vote for Biden (or write in another name). If even 20% of Republicans do that, Trump will lose in a landslide and hopefully that will be the end of him politically.

    tjagain
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    lets hope so. some of the worst gerrymandering seems to have been reversed as well

    Trump defeated, court cases still ongoing, bankrupt him as when he has lost again his backers will desert him.;. Seems a decent outcome

    white101
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    This has probably been mentioned a couple of pages back already, the Rest is Politics podcast with Campbell and Stewart (which I have to say even just listening to a couple, I would like it if political opponents could discourse in the same manner eg. adult) they spoke with Scaramucci.

    I learned a lot about the funding rules for campaigns and US politics in general. Even if he is declared bankrupt and a fire sale takes place of property etc, I still think backers would find a way to financially support a trump campaign with little issue. The base will always crowdfund him and right wingers with very deep pockets will get around that $2k limit with ease.

    You really have to hope he keeps upsetting the more placid republicans (sic?) who would like a return to some normality in their party. I don’t think even on this side of the water I could put up with his incessant BS tweets morning noon and night, god knows what its like on TV over there having to put up with the noise.

    frankconway
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    Letitia James is trolling trump with daily updates on X stating how much interest has accrued on the, as yet unpaid, disgorgement plus interest.
    It’s about $110k per day – and rising!

    maccruiskeen
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    ven if he is declared bankrupt and a fire sale takes place of property etc, I still think backers would find a way to financially support a trump campaign with little issue.

    In campaigning terms his wealth is / was just part of his image – he somehow managed to keep forgetting to put any of his own money into the campaign – in the early days he would loan money to the campaign then take it back again.

    Over the years he’s probably given more money to democrat campaigns than his own

    mattyfez
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    Aparently Donny is appealing the $455million ruling on fraudulently inflating or under reporting his assets.

    But has not posted the required $455million bond required in order to lodge an appeal.

    Oh well… he’s got 30 days to rummage under the sofa.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fraud-appeal-new-york-trial-b2502663.html

    DickBarton
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    I think the 30 days started 3 days ago so he has 27 remaining…I think.

    boomerlives
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    But has not posted the required $455million bond required in order to lodge an appeal

    Apparently it needs to be 10% above this figure, so a nice round half billion should cover it.

    Never going to happen.

    pk13
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    He is going to sell or list TRUTH SOCIAL one the stock exchange. Instant best tec business man eva.
    1billon dollars

    frankconway
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    Truth Social?
    I’m offering mac’n’fries with a bucket of coke.

    EDIT: more seriously, in late 2023 trump estimated it’s value to be between $5 mill and $25 mill; cumulative losses  reported to be c$31.5 mill. Also reported that c$1 billion of investment capital was returned to investors; that may be correct but it sounds unlikely to me as trump isn’t known for giving or returning money – to anyone.

    thisisnotaspoon
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    I get the feeling if democracy in the US survives the next 5 years or so we might see a bit a polishing up of the constitution and a few new amendments to put some safety rails put in place to guard against some of this nonsense in future. Hindsight and all that.

    It’s a difficult line to draw though.

    A few swings the other way and what if it was a (not quite so clearly too old) Biden being investigated by a Trump Partisan DoJ / Attorney Generals (not implying the current DoJ / AG’s are being partisan).

    Unless you can completely rule out political interference in the justice system then I think it’s a good check and balance that the justice system shouldn’t be able to interfere with politics.

    frankconway
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    trump has made it clear that the separation of powers – legislature from exective from judiciary – is something he wants to see gone.
    IF elected, he will threaten the constitution in ways unimagined to date.

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