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  • Dominic Cummings !
  • Premier Icon mildred
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    Fair enough.

    Oddly, unless I’ve misunderstood him, he has previously talked some sense when on about the North & how politicians from all sides should reconsider their respective attitudes.

    This taken from Wikipedia:

    Cummings has frequently criticised what he sees as a London-centred political system that failed to countenance the UK’s voting to leave the European Union.[115] He has expressed his dismay that many voters’ concerns, particularly in Northern England and the Midlands, have been ignored by both the Conservatives and Labour and ‘taken for granted’.[115] He criticised New Labour’s attempt at re-balancing inherent structural deficiencies within the British economy following de-industrialisation with a system of tax credits.[115]

    He essentially told Labour how they lost yet has been vilified for this by Labour (I suppose nobody likes to hear an uncomfortable truth). He basically told BJ how to tap into Labour’s “red wall”, which was, after all his job. That he did it whilst believing BJ wasn’t fit for office is neither here no there; again, he was merely doing what they paid him to do. I think this is why he often appears bemused by people like Laura Kuenssberg and her bizarre way of making a blatantly biased statement and then acting as though she’s just posed an insightful question.

    Premier Icon nickc
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    he was merely doing what they paid him to do

    I think characterizing Cummings as a ‘paid for stooge. misses the point of the man entirely; he’s a true believer. In so much as he desperately wants things to change. He’s sees a dysfunctional system (I honestly think he regards “dysfunctional” as anything not designed by him)  and wants to mend it, but that’s all he can do. He sees a problem and throws effort at it to fix it, but I don’t think he takes any notice of the collateral damage he creates because of that action. Hence his bewilderment at the reaction to Brexit. He sees the lies of Turkey joining the EU and the £350 million on the side of the bus as “means to an end” I don’t think it all crossed his mind that because of these lies, the losing side would regard the outcome as illegitimate…He really (I think) doesn’t get that at all. All he can do when faced with that is shrug, smirk and mumble.

    Then next we see him “working very hard” (his words from the interview) to get Brexit done and we’re in the Whip withdrawing, illegally shutting down parliament, phase that sees (eventually) May and Corbyn defeated and Johnson elevated, a man he knew all along (apparently) was completely unfit for the role, so now has to set about solving that issue (that he helped create)

    The man is tactically a genius, his ability to solve immediate difficult issues is truly astonishing, only matched by his ability to only ever destroy utterly the thing without replacing it with something better. He’s supposed to be (and thinks of himself) as this great strategic thinker, but has so far yet to build anything worthwhile.

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    Nah you are letting him off lightly there. He was doing the job since he had a dream that he could use brexit to do his “reform” of government. He was using the tories as much as they were using him.

    Indeed. He’s a very dangerous character. A devious shit with a messiah complex and convinced he is the reincarnation of Machiavelli. He gets off on his ‘powers’.

    If I had my way he’d be sitting in a dock on charges of treason for accepting foreign money from ‘bad actors’ to deliberately sabotage his own country.

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