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  • Do you need job satisfaction?
  • PiknMix
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    You consider yourself so vital to the people you work with that you’re giving them 150-200% of your salaried time every week

    This is the complication, I don’t do it for my company, or who I work with. I do it for the people my company look after, that’s my personal connection.

    I’m kinda derailing this thread, sorry OP. I know I need to sort something as it’s making me ill.

    sajama55
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    Job satisfaction, we worked to a price. Good and bad times, as long a you can enjoy your free time and not have to worry about the money. Getting the fair rate for the work was interesting, If it was this is whats allocated money wise, you had to say we are off and its not finishing end of week or month its today. Amazing how they always found the extra money,they knew our work was always up to standard.

    ads678
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    I need some form of job satisfaction, other wise I just wouldn’t go.

    I couldn’t work for tossers, or work for a company that treats people like shit. I couldn’t work in a job or an industry where I would have to lie to people or rip them off.

    I need to feel that I am, at least trying, to do something worthwhile.

    If this means I don’t earn huge sums of money then so be it. I’m doing ok and have recently move to a less stressful job and something I consider more meaningful.

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    Cougar
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    This is the complication, I don’t do it for my company, or who I work with. I do it for the people my company look after, that’s my personal connection.

    Yeah, I figured it was something like that. And in something like the care industry or hospitals or suchlike it must be easy to become emotionally invested and difficult to walk away. But at the end of the day, it’s a job and you’re almost certainly replaceable.

    I know I need to sort something as it’s making me ill.

    And as someone I used to be a carer for once said to me, “if you fall over then you’re no help to me.” You’ve got to look after yourself first and foremost.

    DrJ
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    Like a lot of people, the UK education system made me make a decision about my future before I was really ready to make it, but I was relatively fortunate. I chose a subject because I like science and I like being outdoors. However, although the pay is good I now sit behind a computer and attend meetings.

    I still like my primary specialist area, and I like my boss and my colleagues, but day to day work bores me senseless, so I am wondering if I should jack it in, or if motivation will reappear!!

    perchypanther
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    I do it for the people my company look after,

    You are supposed to be one of the people your company looks after

    pondo
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    Right… 🙂 I’ve worked for many years in average to bad jobs – my background’s low-level IT support, did some incident management years ago which was interesting, role got TUPE’d to Wales so I went to work for a family-run firm, people I knew beforehand, just doing general admin stuff, which was a mistake – nice people, horrible to work for. I was there for five depressing years before I managed to escape into an IT support role, much happier there but a big 90 mile round trip commute (although it did open my eyes as to what I wanted to do – went out with a trainer the first week, came back thinking “I could do that, and better than him…”). That wasn’t a bad job but the company got bought and there was little or no prospect of career progression, stuck there for four years then escaped to a local, family owned business. Thought I’d landed on my feet, but they turned out to be genuinely horrible people to work for – like, really, really horrible. Stuck there for three years, had actually applied for what would be come my next job when the gits made me redundant, so that all worked out ok. The next job for a software supplier was my first training job (seven years after deciding that’s what I wanted to do) and it’s all been onwards and upwards from there – trained on GP software for 14 months, took an internal move to train on legal software but both roles involved tons of travelling, moved last November to work directly for a law firm and it’s by a massive margin the best job I’ve ever had, I really enjoy training, I’m in London every other week for a few days, I can cycle to the Birmingham office (so I’ve gone from driving 30k a year to almost nothing – bliss!) and the company could not be any more accommodating or supportive to work for. It’s not super mega money but it’s loads more than I’ve earned before (and it should go up a chunk when I’m fully up to speed 🙂 ).

    TL:DR – Don’t give up, it can come good even if it takes a while.

    petec
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    i have a specialised role in a large manufacturing firm. It’s interesting, but not my life’s ambition. As a specialist I get paid quite well (more than my boss…), but I have no responsibility. This is deliberate. I’ve turned down manager roles (inc the one my boss is now in); it’s hard enough showing interest in my well being, so there’s no way I can do it with others! Obviously I do my best in the office, and modesty aside, I’m very good at it. They couldn’t cope without me. I could get twice as much if I went back to London, and was more dedicated.

    As an aside, I used to work with a very specialist financial law package; in at the start when it arrived in this country. I wrote a load of scripts, and shared them around. One of my colleagues used them and set up a firm using them (and to be fair asked me to join him). He sold out 4 years later for a lot of money. Am I jealous; not in the slightest. I have enough money. He has the balls to get up there and sell it, and working all hours.

    basically, i get paid well, turn up, go home. Bliss

    Work to live, not live to work. It’s not satisfaction, but I’m satisfied with it.

    My wife is the complete opposite. She’s admitted she’d hate to work with me

    freeagent
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    47 year old project manager in Engineering/Manufacturing here.
    I do like my job, it is interesting and varied with good job satisfaction when something is completed and accepted by our customers.
    I get to travel a bit (two weeks in Canada last month, regular trips to France/Holland/etc)
    We build hi-end refrigeration and cooling systems for Navy Ships and Submarines, i like the feeling that my job does make a real difference to somebody.
    I largely get left alone to manage my own workload which is good.
    I work for a big organisation who at corporate level couldn’t give 2 sh*ts about me, but locally i work with a great team, some of who i really like.
    Yesterday i got an achievement award (£100 Amazon voucher) for mentoring new/younger colleagues which meant a lot.

    I need to get some job satisfaction, i’ve got decent qualifications and a lot of experience now so would quickly get bored putting things in boxes or pushing spreadsheets all day.

    I’ve got 2 kids and a huge mortgage so am in it for the long ride.

    binners
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    I left school and did an apprenticeship in a job that I ended up hating. So I jacked it all in and when back to college to study what I always wanted to do, design and illustration.

    It’s taken a while and a lot of effort to get where I am now but I love my job so much I feel like a bit of a fraud actually referring to it as work.

    Last week I finished a commission for somebody as a present for one of their friends. It was an illustration of the family stood together in their favourite place, including their 4 year old daughter who recently died of cancer. They gave it to the family yesterday. I got a lovely message last night from them, thanking me and saying how they’d all cried when they saw it and they thought it was a beautiful thing to have up in the house that would always make them smile and remember her. When I read the message things may have got a bit dusty at this end too.

    I had a similar reaction earlier on in the week from someone who also burst into tears when I delivered her the finished, framed artwork she’d commissioned (for the right reasons, I hope).

    Job satisfaction really doesn’t get much more satisfying than that. Every day I feel honoured, humbled and more than a little bit bemused that people trust a dickhead like me with these things that are so personal to them. I’m a reet jammy (though trying not to be too smug) bastard! 😀

    Cougar
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    For my part,

    I’ve kinda landed on my feet, finally. I spent years in and around varying levels of computer support. Internal and external, from budget PCs in the 90s to server estates running to hundreds of thousands of pounds. I’ve never really had much career direction, I’ve bent whichever way the wind blows depending on the demands of a given role. It got to a point a few years ago where my career expectations were “god knows” because they’d run out of superlatives to add on to my job title.

    A few years back, I had a sideways move to being a “technical manager.” This wasn’t people management (though I ended up mentoring apprentices), rather my mandate was “this department is utterly ****ed, fix it.” My primary skill is really “fixing things” so that’s what I did.

    Then maybe 12-18 months ago I was purloined to a newly-formed security team. I am now, in layman’s terms, a hacker. And I’ve suddenly realised that after spending my entire working life with no clear end goals or any real direction, this is what I’ve wanted to do since I was 12.

    I’m afforded a lot of slack. I work from home, which is the best commute ever, my boss is basically me only ten years older. I don’t work 9-5 but rather when I want so long as the work gets done, my performance is measured by results rather than the clock. If an 8-hour job takes me 4 hours (cos I’m awesome😁) then I get half a day off; conversely if it takes me 12 hours then I take that hit. This works well for me and for the role, it simply isn’t a 9-5 job. I deal with people in different time zones, and incidents can happen at any time. The bad guys don’t take weekends off. Today I started work at 10am, yesterday I started at 6.

    The one sticking point really is salary. I’m paid maybe half what the going rate is for my position. But honestly I don’t mind for now as I’m spending most of my time learning stuff. When I get a qualification or two under my belt though we’ll be having a very different conversation, and I’ve had the CTO of a 1700-employee company attempting to head-hunt me for the best part of a year now so I’ve always got that in my pocket. (He’s a mate of mine I’ve known for 30 years, but I won’t be mentioning that part…)

    dirkpitt74
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    funkmasterp

    I have little to no job satisfaction. I do have a wife and two young kids though and I’m the sole earner at present. I also believe I would struggle to find a job that pays the same as this one. I still work to the best of my ability though.

    ^^^Same here.
    Would dearly love to jack it in and do something different – reading the quit your job come and work with pushbikes instead from the front page hasn’t really helped….

    fasthaggis
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    Yes,life’s too short to be miserable.
    Follow your heart,there is always a way.

    TheBrick
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    @cougar

    I’ve started to get into the security side of things too, after finally finding some tutorials with the basics it seems very logical to me. Just a evening play thing at the moment but already finding out t useful as my work moves more towards an embedded role.

    Cougar
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    @TheBrick > Keep an eye on these two sites:

    https://academy.ehacking.net/

    https://www.cybrary.it/

    They follow the DFS pricing model of stupid prices with hefty offers. I got lifetime access to pretty much everything on EH Academy for like $50 or something. The course material is variable in quality but some of it is very very good indeed.

    MrSmith
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    I’m self employed and always have been. I wouldn’t do a job i hated or that bored me senseless.
    lucky to do a job that most of the time doesn’t feel like work and is well paid so i’m very fortunate in that respect. downsides are no job security (that’s something thats declining in salaried positions) sometimes odd hours and weekend work.

    i also realise i’m unemployable outside of what i do. i came to this conclusion mostly from reading threads on STW about you salaried people and the complete and utter bellendary that goes on in the average workplace/office.
    i would be fired within the first week for telling people what i thought about them/their product/their idea/their job.

    finbar
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    I didn’t fall into a job – I actively pursued one – and then politics went a bit mad and now my job satisfaction hinges on what Boris’s crack team have planned 😀

    binners
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    i also realise i’m unemployable outside of what i do. i came to this conclusion mostly from reading threads on STW about you salaried people and the complete and utter bellendary that goes on in the average workplace/office.

    I would be fired within the first week for telling people what i thought about them/their product/their idea/their job.

    My sentiments exactly. I’ve been self-employed most of my career. The last full time job I had ended with me telling people what i thought about them/their product/their idea/their job in fairly unambiguous terms

    Theres no way on earth I’d put up with the kind of bollocks I hear about the office politics of salaried jobs. Sod that! I was told by a recruitment consultant that theres no way on earth an employer would even consider giving me a job anyway, as after decades of self-employment “they’d view you as being essentially feral”

    They’d be about right. I took that as a compliment 😀

    Cougar
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    I was told by a recruitment consultant that theres no way on earth an employer would even consider giving me a job anyway

    I for one am totally shocked.

    (-:

    Cougar
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    And to be honest, I’m old enough and grumpy enough to not play that game either. A previous boss used to roll his eyes at me and go “ever the f’in diplomat” on like a weekly basis. I’m very much of the opinion that rules exist for people who need rules.

    Years ago, I did the “lunch with an astronaut” thing at KSC. The guest speaker was a chap by the name of Story Musgrave, and he was an absolute legend. Up until Buzz going back up relatively recently he held the record of being the oldest guy in space. He regaled a story of how on his last Shuttle mission, during reentry he figured this was his last opportunity so against all orders he unfastened his seat belt and wandered over to the window to take some photos. Anyone else would’ve been in serious bother, maybe court-marshalled or something I don’t know, but the crew and NASA were like “yeah, that’s just Story, let him get on with it.” And I had a bit of an epiphany and thought, that’s exactly where I want to be.

    johnx2
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    I find that when I’m driving in my car, and the man come on the radio. He’s telling me more and more about some useless information, supposed to fire my imagination. You get the idea. Could also have quoted the lyrics from “”Geting away with it”.

    chewkw
    Free Member

    Do you need job satisfaction?

    No, I just need the money but somehow I can do the job better than others even when I don’t like it.

    The only job satisfaction I can imagine is from running own business.

    Alex
    Full Member

    I with Binners and Mr Smith. In a vocational sense. In fact I’ve bought stuff of both of them and they are both lovely fellas.

    Job satisfaction is kind of a wooly metric really. Depends what you get motivated by. It was never money for me. I just wanted to run my own business. And when I did, I was really REALLY crap at it. Mainly as what I liked was working for customers not running a business.

    Now it’s just me. I traded off working as a fairly senior consultant for one of the big 4. Got me through the door in a few places. I only work in HigherEd and Charity sectors. I’m bored of travelling after nearly 25 years of it, but I love visiting universities (especially when the students are there)  and doing even tiny things to make them better.

    My steady slide into retirement is going really badly. I can’t say no to anyone and I hate asking people for money. It’s not a great business model but I ride my bikes in the summer and work hard when I have too.

    Compared to many on this thread, I feel pretty blessed frankly.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    I like teaching, I got a lot of job satisfaction so its weird that I struggle to keep doing it, its just too hard to do whats expected of a teacher. I’m a good teacher but so many of the “outstanding” teachers I’ve known have left teaching as they cant keep it up. I struggle to be told how I could do it it better by people who cant do it any better than me anyway…I guess thats the same in any job.

    Holidays are great though 😁😁😁😁😁😁

    TiRed
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    I get to design, execute and analyse the first early trials for potential new medicines. Some of which have eventually led to release. I have a patent for a new medicine that I invented for multiple sclerosis, and it’s just been filed with the FDA. In a year’s time I’ll be able to say “I invented that”.

    Yes job satisfaction is high on my list. I’m at the cutting edge of therapeutic medicine and I get to do science every day. And they pay me to do it.

    Of course my side line on working on doping sport is a loss leader, but securing the acquittal of Chris Froome using the skills I acquired as part of my work, and being given 25% of my work time to do this as an academic exercise means a lot to me too.

    I’m an academic at heart, but the past 20 years has taught me that you need a team of all the talents to really deliver things. I have one or two talents. Delivery to timelines isn’t one of them 😉

    tails
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    Not really, a string of bad decisions stemming from immaturity, poor parenting and very low self esteem led me to a completely useless degree. I somehow got a job from it but the financial crisis put and end to that. I found another job but it was poorly paid so eventually left to work in the print industry. That was not the brightest move as you are very much just a number. The people are nice enough to talk to but the job brain rottingly easy. I’d like to move on but I’m not sure retraining is really an option at 35 and I just believe nobody would take a chance. I also live in one of the most expensive areas of the uk and will be renting as £23k doesn’t really cut it anywhere in the Uk anymore.

    singletrackmind
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    Left a job with 70 days holiday owing, unlimited roll over. Never got any financial compo for that. As for people who say no one is vital to a business, I left another job and they fell apart pretty instantly, employed a few chances but the end result was closure after 9mths and 5 people out of a job
    I should get very high job satisfaction but I am not exactly a Ray of sunshine but I do enjoy what I do.
    Very lucky to have pensions and saving /equity which would allow me the luxery of only needing £1k a month to live on so a brain dead job is an option
    Zero qualifications, only took this carrer to piss off my old man via the y t s slave scheme.
    Would like to do something different but unsure what, but the more I go through life the more I see dumb, lazy people who get on by sheer luck and manipulation rather t than putting in constant directed affort

    toby1
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    Thanks for this thread it’s making an interesting read.

    I personally think it’s really important to feel valued and useful in what you do. You derive your satisfaction from that.

    People rarely leave jobs, they leave bad managers as the adage goes, but in my experience this is largely true. I have left jobs partly through location, management or lack thereof.

    I am also lucky in that I do a job I derive value from, I work with people and helping them make their process easier, it challenges me, I get feedback from people on how the things I have done have worked and how they could be improved. I work with a good team of peers to learn from and to support each other and I work in AI software, so we are finding challenges we both know how to face based on experience and some we have no idea where to start with as they are new. I have a buzzword job title ‘Agile coach’, but I don;t take this as gospel and what I do varies a lot. I have a laid back line manager who lets me decide what I think it good to do and I don’t take myself too seriously so I try to make things fun. It’s also a start-up I work for, so I’m aware that by the end of the year I could be looking for new work, but I just see this as part of the environment of start-ups.

    I realise I’m lucky, the only things I see as missing are a) being able to do this while living by the beach or mountains (currently in the flatlands of Cambridge) and b) spending enough time working from home to have a dog. But those are compromises I can live with for now and they don’t cause mental anguish.

    joefm
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    I’ve never once dreaded going to work where I work. So I’m quite happy.

    Daffy
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    @Cougar – You state that the OP is being exploited because he’s working 150% of his salaried rate, but as your work is results driven, don’t you also have the potential for this to happen?

    Like you, my work is results driven, but whilst I do get handed work to do, I also get to direct a lot of my own research and projects. This, coupled with my magpie mentality and a sense of optimism that borders on the unrealistic, often means that I work more than I should to get the parts of my job done that give the most satisfaction.

    Also, I simply can’t (and won’t) do work that I don’t believe in merits of. I’m quite willing to have someone explain the merits if I don’t understand them, but if I do and it’s bollocks, I’m not doing it.

    To answer the OP’s question – Yes! Absolutely! I turned down a job last year with a 30% salary increase (I could really do with the money) to keep doing what I’m doing.

    TheBrick
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    @tails at 35 loads of time to retrain, but don’t just think of courses also think of DIY education. I dropped out of a PhD after more or less finishing it and have learnt more via the DIY education route.

    Job in industry doing whatever you want and keep changing jobs. One of the good thing about not earning much at the moment means you can get a job paying similar easier than if you were on £50k and had loads of outgoings. You can be flexible and try stuff. Go for it. Experiment with jobs.

    jonba
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    For me yes. I left uni 15 years ago with a plan to move out of science and not go back. Did a stint as a graduate trainee but left what was a good job/potential career to be with my partner.

    Moved to the other end of the country and fell back on my degree and went into science. 12 years ago! Has been an interesting ride. Dodged a few redundancies, been moved around a bit but stayed as a bench chemist. It has gone a bit wrong in the last few years. Despite 30 days holiday, home by 5pm, 4 day week, enough money, it’s just not right. To the point where I dreaded coming in. So I’ve got 3 weeks and 2 days left here before starting a new job. Going from big corporation to small business. More money, less holiday, 5 days but I was mostly interested in the culture change.

    I knew I wasn’t happy but it feels like I’ve lost a huge weight I’ve been carrying around for 2 years.

    My wife was made redundant just before Xmas. Starts work in 2 weeks. She’s moved from IT consultancy to in-house IT. She was looking to move anyway and is going into something she is passionate about. Loads of travel (commuting to London from Newcastle each week) to walking 2 miles. Thankfully both on good wages with few outgoings so can survive comfortably off one salary so don’t feel the pressure to take the secure stable options.

    retrogirl
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    I hate my job, really hate it. The problem with it is that I’m so bored and I like having things to do. I feel I was misold at interview and I’m looking at getting out. I think I just have no passion for what I do so I’m looking to retrain and have 2 interviews for what I’m interested in. However, the field I want to train in is very competitive so I’m looking for other jobs as a contingency plan. I may have lots of holiday in this job I’m in but I’d rather come home feeling I’ve done a good day’s work and made a difference rather than being bored out of my brain days on end. Life’s too short to hate work and you do spend a lot of your life working.

    alex222
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    My job is out there. Rope access and geotechnical engineering/ground improvements. I fell into it. Trained mechanical engineer, however 10 years of life on the road sort of brought me here by accident. I get to see some cool stuff. I get to do some cool stuff. However the job involves many hazardous conditions daily as well as working in all weather. I don’t know if I love my job but it can be very satisfying. Though the projects I work on and the amount of diesel/aeronautical fuel they get through actually makes me feel pretty guilty/sad and worried for the state of the planet.

    Cougar
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    Cougar – You state that the OP is being exploited because he’s working 150% of his salaried rate, but as your work is results driven, don’t you also have the potential for this to happen?

    Potential, yes of course. But in practice it doesn’t happen. Ostensibly the difference between my situation and Pik n Mix is that I’m in control of it, if it were to swing too far in the wrong direction then I’d nix it.

    I’ve chosen to opt out of the Working Time Directive. I figured, this benefits me if I want to do a load of overtime, and I trust my employer not to abuse this. I’ve worked at previous places where I absolutely would not do this.

    I’ve routinely had email conversations with my boss at 2am. But again, this is my decision, there is no onus on me to do so and if there was then I’d want paying for it and be saying no. The counterpoint to this is I don’t get angry phone calls if I’m showing as offline at 10am.

    Like you, my work is results driven, but whilst I do get handed work to do, I also get to direct a lot of my own research and projects. This, coupled with my magpie mentality and a sense of optimism that borders on the unrealistic, often means that I work more than I should to get the parts of my job done that give the most satisfaction.

    Also, I simply can’t (and won’t) do work that I don’t believe in merits of. I’m quite willing to have someone explain the merits if I don’t understand them, but if I do and it’s bollocks, I’m not doing it.

    Yeah, I’m exactly the same. I get asked to do nonsense all the time, and I either kick it back or ignore it until it goes away. For instance, “can you create 20 user accounts for us?” Hell no, but I can write you a script to do it.

    There’s a management cliché, “come to me with solutions not problems” and in the tech sphere it’s bollocks. Don’t come to me with your own half-baked answers, you’re a cretin, tell me what you’re trying to achieve and I’ll come up with the solution. As a slightly absurd example, someone asks for an iPhone. Do you give them one, or do you ask “why do you want an iPhone?” and discover that they want one to knock nails in so give them a hammer instead? This crops up All The Time on STW tech help request threads and it drives me spare. Many people are far to quick to give answers when they don’t fully understand the question.

    PiknMix
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    In a very bizarre twist of irony, I got offered a promotion today, more money, less hours.

    toby1
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    Without meaning to sound patronising Pik n Mix, do you believe it? I.e. will it not just be more of the same with a new title, or is it for a new boss with a better track record?

    PiknMix
    Free Member

    I’m obviously sceptical, but it’s in a different area, with a completely different senior management team and every one I have spoken to that are under them sing their praises.

    Its a tough one, I’m 50:50 as to what to do.

    dazh
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    I could write an essay about this, but will attempt to be brief(ish)

    I struggle with a few things in my job at multi-national engineering company. First is I can’t motivate myself to put any effort into anything unless I find it very challenging. Secondly I find it hard to toe the line, especially if it’s essentially pointless (stupid meetings, getting in on time, dressing properly, talking in business-speak etc).  I refuse to partake in company politics or blatant self-promotion (and conversely the denigration of others for my benefit). Money is not that important to me, even though I’d obviously like more. And ultimately I want to be useful.

    In relation to the above, my work is generally very easy (ie boring), my bosses don’t give a shit where I am or what I’m doing (I could literally not turn up for a week and no one would notice), I’m paid fairly well, it’s sometimes insanely political, quite frankly my colleague can at times be utter c**** and are also cowards who refuse to be honest with bosses about anything that might impact their career.

    The problem is I’m bored stupid and know I could earn more money elsewhere, and probably be in a less poisonous environment. Also as I get older I’m becoming much less tolerant at the wasting of time. But because I’m paid well and it’s easy and very flexible, and I’d have to work a lot harder in a new job, I’m failing to make the leap of faith. Bloody annoying, although I’m sure some would think I’m the luckiest sod alive.

    Clover
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    Great thread, really interesting experiences. Made me realise I cannot do anything I think is making the world a worse place. Back when I was choosing a degree I couldn’t get my head round potential compromises of that principle if I went into engineering or physics. Looking back that wasn’t a particularly optimistic view. I ended up going from science A levels to a philosophy degree.

    In London I worked in the voluntary sector then when I moved north there were no similar jobs so I set up a sustainable fashion company and was mainly broke. Had to get a proper job and was unbelievably lucky – moving into sustainable transport. After three years I was made redundant.

    Now I research, write and advise on future transport and how to make it accessible and sustainable. I love it. Being self employed is more annoying as running yourself as a business is pretty weird and I hate never being able to say no to work (it may dry up!) and chasing payment. However I get to do research and think about making things better. Which is ace.

    There are other things I want to do though – I love painting and riding my bike (and would love to do more guiding and getting people riding) and there just don’t seem to be enough hours in the day. But no, I’d find it pretty hard to do something I didn’t believe was a net positive.

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