Disc Brakes… Seriously which brake can I trust to work 100%

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    13thfloormonk – Member

    Northwind, …veeeryyy interesting, wish I’d had the nous to figure that one out my myself, were those sintered pads you got or organic?

    When I did it, i found an old new-old-stock XTR caliper for a tenner and it came with a nice XTR sintered pad. Not sure what you get in the cheaper calipers, though.

    TurnerGuy
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    BB7s for the same reasons as your complaints.

    Gore rideon cables and ultimate speed-dial levers for moduloveliness πŸ™‚

    Sintered pads seemed to squeal a lot – organics do me fine (3 squeaks after a dunking).

    Don’t seem to need to adjust too much, and the speed dial levers lets you run a large pad/rotor gap for mud clearance and one finger braking.

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    Depends what you mean by “work 100%”.

    There’s a lot of difference between brakes that just stop you and brakes that stop you efficiently, comfortably (not to mention safely), and require little maintenance.

    There are those that are reliable with little or no maintenance, or those that require maintenance more frequently. The former may sound the best, but a set of v-brakes can require no maintenance other than change of pads which is dead easy, but I wouldn’t have them on a mountain bike. You can easily say they “work” though. Depends what you want, what you ride, the pads you use, the conditions you ride in, how much you clean the things (too little or too much).

    It’s easier to say what doesn’t work – Juicys πŸ˜‰

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    Never had any brakes that were 100% fit-and-forget.

    Shimano probably best. Formula not bad. Avid worst.

    jfeb
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    I have XT hydros on one bike and BB7’s on the other and the BB7s are definitely less hassle. I have them on a rigid drop-bar SS so they probably get a bit less hammering than than XT’s (which are on my FS “fun” bike) but they feel plenty powerful enough to me.

    Just not getting mystery pad contamination is almost reason enough for me to vote for BB7s over any hydro brake set!

    trail_rat
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    How about apples for apples northwind

    Can you go on the internet at any time of the year and ordr a 23 pound caliper or just when they are on special ?

    My first set of xts both caliper seals failed my servo waves are fine

    Equally x2 race are fault free

    My 160mm mono minis on our downhill holiday in les arc were just dandy despite very heavy abuse and lots of other brakes in the group fading ! ( mostly avids)

    My bb7s just died after 8 years service and are now on my mates town bike ( inside adjusters siezed solid and plastic dials off now !

    JonEdwards
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    Dicked around with this loads over the years. Currently on Hopes Techs on 2 bikes – they’re not the most powerful, and they’re fairly heavy, but for Peaks use, they have one HUGE advantage, and that’s good rotor clearance, which means that the pads last more than 10 miles in the wet – in fact I’ve only had to change one set of pads so far this winter. To be honest, for most (legal) riding in the peaks, you don’t need massive amounts of power because there’s so few corners.

    Formula Oros? brilliant in the dry, tragic in the wet. Pad life could be measured in minutes in winter.

    Formula Ones? Mediocre in the dry, better than the oros in the wet, but still only 2 rides to a set of pads and needed bleeding pretty
    much every ride (these were the old shape levers though)

    Shimano? Only had one ride on a set of last generation XTs. Felt lovely, but underpowered. Interested to try the current generation though. Spares availability would put me off, but if calipers are that cheap…?

    Avid – had a few sets of Juicies. In some ways they’re the best brakes i’ve had. One pair of Juicy 5’s has done 2 trips to Whistler, probaly 10 weeks in the Alps inc. 3 Megas, no fade, no power shortage, no bleeding – never needed touching. Pad change is a ball ache and needs doing too often in the wet (2 or 3 rides) and the Tri-and-align thing is a joke once the washers have been used for a while. They’re still on the Bfe, and they just keep working well enough that its not worth the expense of changing them.

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    JonEdwards – Member

    Formula Oros? brilliant in the dry, tragic in the wet. Pad life could be measured in minutes in winter.

    Something not right there… Using organic pads maybe? (I think the standard pads in Oros are organic) I’ve only changed <edit- oops, 2 not 1> set of pads this winter, riding 2 or 3 times a week in Scotland’s famously dry conditions…

    trail_rat – Member

    Can you go on the internet at any time of the year and ordr a 23 pound caliper or just when they are on special ?

    The last time we had this thread, I googled them and found them easily for around Β£20. And the same today. And the same the time before. So, yes, apparently.

    widge34
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    I have Oros, and haven’t had a problem with them through the winter. In fact haven’t had a problem with them at anytime.

    Cheers guy’s some really useful comments there concerning spares/reliability etc.

    I will ignore the XC/Freeride comments as cant work out if they are serious or not LOL and is probably a debate for a different topic.

    I definitely dont think BB7’s are going to cut it with the kind of riding I do however… Jon I think I remember reading a while back that you do quite a lot of the same riding I do around the Cromford area, so not much legal straight line stuff πŸ˜‰

    Really like to give the new Shimano brakes a go, but it seems a bit wrong running them with Sram gear(OCD!lol)and Im not 100% sure about the quality for the price. Β£400 for some XTR’s is a lot of wedge to find out Im wrong. So Hopes with a M4 up front and X2 rear is possible or Marta SL Mag, or willing to try new MT6 if I can get a decent deal off a mate in trade. Dont suppose anyone has actually ridden on the new MT’s for any mileage yet?

    GW
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    I definitely dont think BB7’s are going to cut it with the kind of riding I do however

    πŸ˜† Brilliant!!

    sambob
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    Go for SLX or XT over XTR if they’re too expensive, pretty much the same brakes anyway.

    duir
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    I find Hope Tech brakes to be very reliable with next to no maintenance required. They squeal in the wet/cold but once heated up that seems to stop (are there any disk brake that don’t squeal when wet?). M4s/V2s tonnes of power(if set up correctly) X2s I found underpowered for my 150mm bike and how I want to ride it.

    Tried Shimano Saints on a mates bike, they squealed too but felt awesome.

    All Avid disk brakes I have owned have been very unreliable, the worst being Elixir CRs. They were down right dangerous and would fail mid DH run in the Alps. The warranty replacement of them was good but took 4-6 weeks compared to Hopes 3-4 days. After 3 pairs on warranty I gave up and went to Hopes where I have been ever since without issue.

    So for me, riding in the middle of nowhere in the Scottish mountains I need reliability, so I go for Hope and try not to loose too much sleep over the 100g I could have saved if I had gone for something lighter.

    druidh
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    Ask the folk who work/have worked in a bike shop what make is the most reliable…..

    druidh – Member
    Ask the folk who work/have worked in a bike shop what make is the most reliable…..

    They said Hope or Magura, but they did have a set of Hopes looking for a home so thought I would ask yu guys as well πŸ˜€

    Hope feedback is looking good however. What are the levers like, size/shape/adjustment/compatibility with XO shifters? They worry me a little..

    ruscle
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    Get Hope V2’s utterly brilliant brakes. The levers can be used with matchmakers so they mount to the shifter pods which makes for a neater bar.

    sambob
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    FWIW Hope Tech levers are massively adjustable, bite point and reach adjust both on big dials, grippy levers too. Quite long levers, shaped for 2 finger braking or move them inboard a bit more and just use the outer groove.

    Like most things on MTB and road bikes, buy the top of the range Shimano and you will fit it and forget it, forget all the blingyness, it usually is un-reliable. XTR 985, superb feel, awesome stopping power, quite light and look the dogs. (blingyness-new word?)

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    kingkongsfinger – Member
    Like most things on MTB and road bikes, buy the top of the range mid-range Shimano and you will fit it and forget it

    FTFY…and since when was xtr not bling?

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    kingkongsfinger – Member
    Like most things on MTB and road bikes, buy the top of the range mid-range Shimano and you will fit it and forget it

    FTFY…and since when was xtr not bling?

    Fair comment but you get my drift

    slimjim78
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    BB7 FTW +2

    how can you overlook these?

    πŸ˜• BB7

    Thanks for all of the replies guys been very helpful.

    Going to go Hope Tech Evo M4/X2 or Magura MT6

    Cheers again

    πŸ™‚

    Loving my Magura brakes here, 06 Louise FR brakes have never let me down and all the times hey have been to the Alps, they have always been spot on whilst my riding pals newer brakes have always thrown wobblers part way through. One finger braking all day long and never worn more than half a set of pads out in a holiday.

    I also have a set of 2009 Magura Louise BAT on my hardtail. Again, no issues, ever apart from me putting oil on the rotors πŸ™„

    Hope Mini’s were ok but squealed like little pigs, Shimano M525 Deore were fine but heavy (reliable though) and Shimano XT M765? were pigs to bleed but OK when bled.

    unovolo
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    I’m still using a set of original Shimano’s Deore 555’s. Not the most powerful,light or glamorous but have been utterly reliable.
    Just had pads replaced and bled probably twice in their life and one of those was only because I put Goodridge hoses on instead of the originals.
    I have been tempted by newer brakes but then think why fix what ain’t broke.

    CaptJon
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    Glad to hear such good things about Maguras. I’ve just bought a pair of Louises to replace my old Louises which have done me well for 5 years.

    mk1fan
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    BB7 would be my suggestion and some lessons with Jedi.

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    Hope on both bikes for 5 years without any real problems.

    mandog
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    hard cross country?

    you’ll be needing Saints.

    juan
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    I love al comment so if I buy ANYTHING from shimano I just fit it ont he biek and it work, for ever, without any maintenance…? Me think you should ride your bike more than just around the zoo.

    No brake will be 100% problem free. I would however stay away from avid and shimano. The former for being a PITA in terms of maintenance and spare availability. The later simply because the stopping power of my GF’s deore is shite, and the brake fluid just seems to disappear. My bikes have all been fitted with hope brakes and formula. And I have yet to have a problem with them. However IIRC the only brake that was carefree was the hayes mag something in purple.

    not read this in detail but I can’t see much voting for Hayes HFX9 or Stroker.
    I have used these on three alps trips without a hiccup while owners of avids and hopes have had problems with fade etc.

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    Got formula oro’s on all my bikes from XC to dh bikes.
    The only time I have had an issue is when I managed to wear a hole in hose of my front brake, sadly it had been rubbing on something all the way to cwmcarn so can hardly blame the brake.

    Will be buying formulas for all my future bikes and a mate will not use anything else either

    TurnerGuy
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    HFX 9s would be a big downgrade from BB7s, surely?

    If anyone would like to come for a ride around the Peaks with some BB7’s I will gladly take you out. But Im not picking you up off the floor.

    Avid code 5s here.
    Not too expensive
    445g.
    Easy bleeding with the syringe kit.
    Look good.
    No fade on long hot descents.
    Stop you like a back hander off your mum.

    Edit: HFX9s are awful but I have stroker trails on all my fleet bike sand they are good, powerful, but I don’t think they modulate that well compared to my code5s. Worth a look though.

    mk1fan
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    If anyone would like to come for a ride around the Peaks with some BB7’s I will gladly take you out. But Im not picking you up off the floor.

    Having used BB7s I don’t see how they would not meet your needs. Powerful, reliable, simple and aren’t effected by being left unused.

    patriotfr
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    Out of all the brakes I’ve owned Hayes 9’s Magura Julie’s and Hope Mono series (Mini, M4, M6Ti) the Hope have been the most reliable

    Only repairs I have done is I snapped the reach adjust hex on an old mono lever… Fitted a lever rebuild kit and been fine since. only parts I’ve replaced regularly are master cylinder diaphragm seals when I do a bleed. And the only issue I’ve had is a squeal like a rotor rubbing from a crudded up M4 that was sticky pistons. the noise would disappear if I lightly applied the brake but not heavily enough so it would drag

    CaptJon
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    It might have been easier to ask which brakes people don’t like.

    jools182
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    I’ve had Avid Elixir cr’s, great but the rear caliper wore out one pad and not the other.
    Changed them for Hope tech m4’s, clunky, no bite, and felt spongy after one ride
    Changed for formula the ones, felt ok at start of ride, by the end of the ride levers touching the bars
    These are all brakes people rave about
    Prior to this I had a cheap set of Hayes strokers which people seem to hate. They were powerful, never needed bleeding, easy to set up, and were kind to pads

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    Changed for formula the ones, felt ok at start of ride, by the end of the ride levers touching the bars

    That just sounds like a bad bleed tbh- air left at the top of the system where it can get back into the pumped fluid. Did they recover between rides?

    coffeeking
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    I don’t understand the negativity towards Hopes. I’ve got several sets, some bought second hand, some bought new, only ever had one have a problem and replacement seal fixed it. They brake like no other brake I’ve ever felt – whether it’s how you set them up or your pads, or what, I’m not sure. But I’d never go back to other manufacturers until they produce something as mindblowingly stoppy as my M4s. Having said that, I know people who’ve said the same about XTs or maguras – I’ve never had them operate anywhere near as well, but many times this is due to the apples and oranges comparisons – lightweight XC brakes won’t stop you like a 4 pot DH brake, it is unfair to compare.

    The big problem is I suspect many people can’t set brakes up, or do so with some variability across bikes/brakes and so incorrectly attribute problems to the brake rather than themselves.

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