Did, and if so why, 'wheelie' get chaged to 'manual'?

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  • Did, and if so why, 'wheelie' get chaged to 'manual'?
  • TuckerUK
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    When did the perfectly good term ‘wheelie’ which described the process of making progress on just the back wheel, get changed to ‘manual’, and for the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s sake why?

    Or have I got confused and it hasn’t?

    cooie
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    With a manual you don’t pedal

    Well you obviously do to get started, but then you’re coasting on the back wheel

    Aidy
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    wheelie is pedaling, manual is freewheeling.

    mmel
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    as above, the manual is all about balancing on the back wheel without pedaling

    Premier Icon SaxonRider
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    I didn’t know there was a difference. Huh. I guess there are TWO things I can’t do then. ๐Ÿ˜•

    Premier Icon simon1975
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    Manual is short for Manual Wheelie…

    Premier Icon D0NK
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    wheelying is trying too hard manualling is effortlessly cool ๐Ÿ™‚

    DrP
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    RTFM….

    DrP

    Premier Icon scaredypants
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    wheelies are rad
    manuals are awsum

    scaredy isn’t

    bencooper
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    What about endo vs. stoppie?

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    Endo is just lifting the back up as you stop. Stoppie is feathering the brake and balancing to sustain a bit of movement.

    What about “film” v “edit”?

    Oh, and all chavs can wheelie better than you. FACT.

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    Oh, and all chavs can wheelie better than you. FACT.

    I was going to go with “chavvy” rather than “trying too hard” but didn’t want to be accused of being chavist. Not seen many (any?) chavs doing manuals.

    edit and was there some ninja editing to your title tucker? could have fixed the “chaged” while you were at it ๐Ÿ™‚

    What about “film” v “edit”?

    You edit something together, you don’t film it together. Edit to me would imply a short film, possibly with multiple camera-persons. Hence one person didn’t ‘film’ it, but did edit it together.

    Bit like the technical definitions of screw and bolt though (and before anyone says one of the definitions, even ASME/ASTM/etc can’t come up with a set of definitions so don’t try and quote one).

    Endo is just lifting the back up as you stop. Stoppie is feathering the brake and balancing to sustain a bit of movement.

    I thought ‘endo’ was short for end over end i.e. a stoppie that goes beyond the point of no return. Could be wrong of course.

    Naranjada
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    Endo is a nose wheelie in other parlance.

    Confusing, isn’t it?

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    Good to see consistency in the answers ๐Ÿ˜†

    alpin
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    manual… unweight the front and move your weight back to get front wheel in the air. arse off the saddle, not pedalling.

    [video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhAYx_fCcv8[/video]

    wheelie… initial pedal input to get front wheel in the air, sitting and maybe pedalling to maintain.

    [video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTXncL71jqY[/video]

    if you can wheelie without having to constantly pedal then try standing and then coasting on the back wheel. i find the hardest part with a manual is unweighting the front.

    higgo
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    Can I just say this thread is of no relevance to me.

    I’ve been riding bikes for approx 40years and have only ever three ‘tricks’:
    ~ OTB
    ~ High-side
    ~ lose back end and slide into tree.

    With a manual you don’t pedal

    Well you obviously do to get started, but then you’re coasting on the back wheel

    IMO it’s not a manual if you’re pedalling at any point. You can pedal up into a wheelie, find the balance point and roll (especially downhill) and control the position by just feathering the rear brake. I.e. you’re rolling along on the back wheel and not pedalling, but it’s still not a manual. It’s a coaster wheelie (and you’re probably sitting down).

    In a manual you’re standing the whole time, and no pedalling.

    Endo = not moving (brake locked)
    Stoppie = moving (feather the brake)

    TuckerUK
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    Well, I’ve learnt something new today. ๐Ÿ™„

    Now I’ll have to go back and read every article/thread again now I know the correct meaning! ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    Cheers chaps.

    kudos100
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    The elusive stoppie. Not really that useful, but looks damn cool. One day I have a proper go at learning how to do them.

    Pedalling into a manual is also great, but again is only useful for looking cool 8)

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    Higgo

    +1 ๐Ÿ™‚

    Not been riding as long but I’m probably of a similar age.

    traildog
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    Stoppies are extremely useful because the rear wheel is lifted you can then move it to another angle while maintaining momentum.

    practice your stoppies down a steep bank ๐Ÿ˜‰

    alpin
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    kudos100 – Member

    The elusive stoppie. Not really that useful, but looks damn cool.

    stoppie at 0:50…
    [video]http://vimeo.com/6503163[/video]

    Rorschach
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    Endo is NOT a nose wheelie and neither is it a stoppy.
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4KvbS4Z9FQA[/video]

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1wD5ibdqL4[/video]

    xiphon
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    Wheelie = sitting down, coasting and pedalling. You can wheelie uphill…

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Qej2QIRTc[/video]

    Manual = standing up, pushing with your hips, feathering your brake.

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WWTHi6v8aU[/video]

    Endo = slam on the brakes (lock them) and pivot on the front wheel. Used in trials quite a bit..

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJa5kW3YW20[/video]

    Stoppie = feathering the front brake, gradually pulling harder, while balancing over the front wheel

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNT6R-VkiPI[/video]

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    Longest nose manual ever!?

    you look a bit of a gimp doing a nose manual eh?

    richen987
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    Longest nose manual ever!?
    you look a bit of a gimp doing a nose manual eh?

    reckon if you did that near a school you would get a restraining order ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    michaelmcc
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    It never got changed, they are both different. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    sbob
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    Why do you have to sit down to do a wheelie?

    Standing wheelies are cool.

    mattsccm
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    there is no difference except manual is a trendy term to try and invent something different.
    We were rolling along on the back wheels without pedalling 40 years ago and it was a wheelie then.
    Ignore the youth who know sod all.
    ditto endo. If you stay on the bike it isn’t one. an endo is a crash.
    You can’t change history.

    some confusion here? Wheelies involve pedalling, Manuals don’t.

    I’ve been riding BMX and Mountain Bikes since 1981 and the 2 tricks are very different, regardless of the type of bike. its not about whether you are sitting down or not?

    you can wheelie on a BMX : on which you can’t sit down on unless you are a midget, because it has a 12″ seat tube, 1″ of seat post extension and a hard plastic seat, this does not stop you pedalling…

    you can manual on a BMX: its a back wheel roll with no pedalling or brake involved, you are not applying power to the drivetrain

    different tricks!!

    -wheelie is combination of pedalling, and rolling using weight shifting to maintain the balance point

    -manual ROLL is never pedalling once you enter the manual, but simply rolling using weight shifting to maintain the balance point

    there is no pedalling during a manual roll, otherwise its not a manual ROLL but a wheelie. The rolling is the hint really, and the key to a good manual. too much rear brake is cheating when your balance fails, and will often stop a manual because you will loose too much speed.

    here is a hop to manual roll:

    manuals are one of the most fun tricks on a BMX when you have the skill and experience to take a manual roll around the landscape of an entire skatepark without stalling, needing to pedal or brake

    if you really want to know about manual rolls check out Mike Aitken’s section in the older “Etnies. Grounded” bmx film

    svalgis
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    Yeah I’ll just chime in and reply to this in my own choice of words even though the question was already answered in the first reply.

    /all of STW

    The principle difference between a wheelie and a manual is you can’t manual for 22.5miles

    For the BMX Action Bike fans

    mattsccm
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    I like the start of On any sunday

    mattsccm
    Member

    And BMX from 81 is way to late to know!

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