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  • Demolition of a garage
  • Whathaveisaidnow
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    We’re contemplating knocking down our garage (before it falls down!)

    I suppose you have to get permission off the council?

    Anyone had it done recently?

    It’s just a stand alone concrete panel affair with pitched roof.

    What kind of cost can I expect, i’d be tempted to do it myself, but could be asbestos in there, . .
    big hairy spiders etc, so not that keen!

    TheFunkyMonkey
    Free Member

    Permission??

    Big rope and a big vehicle is all you need.

    Oh and a skip too

    bwoolymbr
    Free Member

    You could also do with a mask for the asbestos issue and a size 10 boot for any spiders. One will suffice, but wear two just in case you come across any this size:

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    tonyplym
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    Second the warning about asbestos if its got corrugated sheets for the roof/walls. If it has then keep everything damp to help keep the dust levels down, and leave the sheets in as big a bits as you can handle.

    midlifecrashes
    Full Member

    Angle grinder for the rusted bolts if you want it down panel by panel. Steel toecaps on the spiderboots, just in case. Skip will need to be a big’un.

    MartynS
    Full Member

    is it defiantly concrete? The Roof may be asbestos, and the side panels could be to, its not a massive problem. You have to dispose of it properly though. I think the council will sell you special packing.

    Whathaveisaidnow
    Free Member

    The walls are concrete panels.

    The roof is corrugated, not sure what it’s made of, its quite brittle as bits of the hangover have come off already. It’s a pale creamy colour and looks like compressed wood mulch perhaps?

    muppetWrangler
    Free Member

    That roof is sounding to me very much like asbestos.

    edit: Can the roof be disassembled panel by panel rather than broken up?

    z1ppy
    Full Member

    The roof is corrugated, not sure what it’s made of, its quite brittle as bits of the hangover have come off already. It’s a pale creamy colour and looks like compressed wood mulch perhaps?

    As above, I’d say it’s probably asbesto’s, not the highly nasty die if you look at it stuff, but still not to be messed with. Find out about disposing of it (I believe your local tip may take it, if bagged correctly), and proper ways to handle it, before attempting demolition.

    noshki
    Full Member

    The roof would be corrugated concrete if it was built after 1992. If the side panels are in reasonably sound nick it could be sold online check out some auction sites. I managed to sell my garage this way and made £400 toward the cost of my new improved bike store. In addition the buyer collected and dismantled.

    Whathaveisaidnow
    Free Member

    The garage dates from the mid 70’s.

    wwaswas
    Full Member

    get the roof checked by a specialist to confirm what it’s made from.

    You can still dispose of it yourself if it’s asbestos if you dissasemble carfeully and double bag it.

    Don’t do what someone I knew did and put the roof under a new patio. Their neighbours dobbed them in to the council who sent them a nice letter along the lines of We can’t stop you doing this but we will mark it as a hazardous waste dump on the local plan so that it shows up when anyone does a search on your property prior to buying it.

    ernie_lynch
    Free Member

    The garage dates from the mid 70’s.

    Everyone was going asbestos crazy in the 70s.

    I’d be surprised if any of it wasn’t asbestos.

    jhw
    Free Member

    you will probably need permission if the garage is adjoining your home.

    Liftman
    Full Member

    If there is any chance of parts of it being asbestos get a specialist in, don’t risk your health to save a few quid.

    nuke
    Full Member

    When I find something I think may have asbestos in I use this company…

    Cavendish Laboratories

    Carefully obtain a small sample, double bag the item you want checked, pop it in the post to them with a covering letter and a cheque for around £10 (Phone and check first). They normally phone with the result then send a letter confirming the result later. Very professional and quick…popped a bit of tile in for testing the other day and they contacted me next day! Worth paying for the peace of mind imo.

    spooky_b329
    Full Member

    We have the little asbestos labels at work, stuck on all sorts of stuff. Even seen them on the bog seats and cisterns in some places 🙂

    Edit:

    If there is any chance of parts of it being asbestos get a specialist in, don’t risk your health to save a few quid thousand.

    Fixed it 🙂 I don’t disagree, but from what I’ve heard, professional removal costs a fortune. Maybe they are cheaper if you make them aware its not an house insurance job and you want a competitive quote.

    loddrik
    Free Member

    You won’t need permission unless it’s listed. You can knock it down even if it’s in a Conservation Area.

    derek_starship
    Free Member

    This garage needs to be nuked from space.

    Three_Fish
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    Fixed it I don’t disagree, but from what I’ve heard, professional removal costs a fortune.

    Low-grade asbestos, like that found in most corrugated roofing, can be removed quite cheaply (hundreds). It just requires a special skip, rather than the full-on containment tents and protective gear that high-grade stuff needs.

    dropoff
    Full Member

    Check with your local council to see if they have an asbestos survey department. If they do you can put a small sample of the roof sheets into a sealed bag and take it to them for testing. Costs about £18. If the sheets are all crumbling and falling apart theres a good chance theyre not asbestos.

    nickjb
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    You wont need permission from the council to pull it down (unless it is listed) but you might need it to rebuild it if that is the plan.

    Get someone decent to take the spoil away or it might end up dumped on you favourite bit of singletrack

    Cougar
    Full Member

    I’m in exactly the same position with (by the sounds of it) exactly the same garage.

    It was storm damaged, then vandalised, and now it’s in a state where there’s more hole than side panel and needs pulling down before it falls down (it’s basically the wooden uprights and a roof, bar a few pieces.

    I spoke to the local tip “recycling centre” and was told that they could give me disposal bags to put it in; but that I couldn’t transport a shedload at once so I’d have to fill a bag, take it too them and they’d give me another to fill, and so on.

    I’ve ignored it for about ten years now because frankly it gives me the fear. However, that link ^^ above for testing sounds like money well spent. Nice one.

    Keep us posted as to how you get on.

    ernie_lynch
    Free Member

    We have the little asbestos labels at work, stuck on all sorts of stuff. Even seen them on the bog seats

    An asbestos bog seat is absolutely essential after a visit to the Khana Peena curry house in Croham Road.

    If your garage dates from the 70s and has corrugated cement boards on the roof, there is no point having it tested for asbestos – it will have asbestos, end of.

    I was fitting corrugated asbestos cement roof sheets well into the 80s, there was simply no alternative other than corrugated steel or plastic sheets – all other corrugated sheet material had asbestos in them. So save yourself the money.

    dropoff
    Full Member

    Ernie, I’m not disagreeing but we’ve just removed and replaced a corrugated cement roof that was built in ’76. Surely it’s worth £18 to test it ? It was certainly cheaper than the quotes we had for asbestos removal – £400 for sealed skip plus £360 for the first tonne of material.

    ernie_lynch
    Free Member

    Well if the corrugated cement roof from something built in ’76 didn’t have asbestos in it, then I guess it wasn’t original. I didn’t think of that, I don’t know why – stupid really 😳

    But as I say, I was fitting roof sheets to garages well into the 80s and they all contained asbestos. By then the danger of asbestos was well known but the impression you were given was that it wasn’t that lethal, only “blue” asbestos was – complete bollox. We were told that there was no alternative and to, “just be careful and try not to breath too much dust” which was nonsense of course. I remember how cutting it with a circular saw caused so much dust that it would give me a sore throat. Also I remember when “supalux” came out in the 80s which only had a “little bit” of asbestos, FFS.

    Edit : I don’t mean supalux I mean asbestolux…….we were told asbestolux was fine because it only had a bit of asbestos. It wasn’t …..it was, and is, dangerous.

    dropoff
    Full Member

    ‘Tis all nasty stuff and as you say lots of people were still working with it and being led to believe that it wasn’t that bad untill relatively recently. TUG figures (guestimates) show that deaths from asbestos related diseases may not peak till 2030. very sad really

    Cougar
    Full Member

    I’m sure it’s asbestos, I’m leaning more towards “will it kill me” asbestos or whether it’s (relatively) safe for me to pull down.

    ernie_lynch
    Free Member

    Well the great thing about asbestos is that, unless you stand on it and fall through the roof boards, it won’t kill you straight away. So if you want, you can worry about dying later.

    Drac
    Full Member

    Just kick it down.

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    hamishthecat
    Full Member

    You can knock it down even if it’s in a Conservation Area

    Actually, technically you’d probably need Conservation Area Consent to demolish it if it was in a CA – but frankly no one would be interested.

    If you’re going to do it properly I would recommend you get the roof material checked for asbestos as it will cost a great deal more to dispose of in a skip if it is. There is plenty of fibre cement roofing around which is asbestos free even from the 70s. Keep any lab report though as the skip company will try and sting you for asbestos disposal wheren they see the panels.

    ernie_lynch
    Free Member

    There is plenty of fibre cement roofing around which is asbestos free even from the 70s.

    I can assure there isn’t, well certainly not Big 6 profile, which I assume is what we’re talking about here.

    As a shop steward in the early eighties I was present at the meetings between management and UCATT. UCATT officials wanted us to be given full protective clothing to work with asbestos roofing. We were never given it (probably more associated with the bother than the cost) and we continued working with asbestos roofing until the employer decided to resolve the problem by subcontracting the work out. Which to be honest, was my preferred choice – I just didn’t want to work with the stuff, even with full protection (plus I’ve never understood why carpenters always get lumbered with non-carpentry work because allegedly no other trade can do it)

    There was no asbestos-free Big 6 profile roof sheets available at the time. If there had been, then UCATT would, without question, have asked for it to be supplied. And the employer would probably have ordered it.

    wrightyson
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    Oh and asbestos sheets will crumble and break up, whoever it wAs up there that said they don’t is talking bollox!! I very much doubt your local tip will take that much in one hit either!! If you’re gonna do it yourself, as said correctly above keep sheets as whole as possible, avoid grinding bolts (use crops), wear a ffp3 mask which will protect you perfectly from dust and go the whole hog and wear a White disposable paper suit to keep it off your clothes!! No licence and no notification are required for White (chrysotile) asbestos removal.

    matthewjb
    Free Member

    If you will speak to your council they will tell you about their asbestos disposal policy.

    Ours won’t take it at the local tip. You have to double bag it and take it to a landfill 20 miles away.

    hamishthecat
    Full Member

    I can assure there isn’t, well certainly not Big 6 profile, which I assume is what we’re talking about here.

    My wife works for an asbestos surveying and removal firm and while I agree that there is a lot of corrugated sheet that does have asbestos in it – there is also a lot which doesn’t – I can assure you! 🙂

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