- Dealing with conning little shyster’s – Your suggestions please?
Right here’s the deal. Last year we undertook some website design for a company that, to be honest, looked a bit dubious. The managing director was your stereotypical Gareth Cheeseman style salesperson. A right odious little turd.
We were about to finish the job. All to their expressed satisfaction, when all communication stops. Can’t get hole of the oily little twerp any more
Turns out he wound the company up (probably due to outstanding debts), the went and set another one up doing exactly the same thing. As the old comapny is now a shell with no assets, our lawyers have said there isn’t much point in trying to pursue the money they owe us in the courts
So….. with the legal avenues pretty much closed, what imaginative ways could the massive come up with to reak a couple of grands worth of damage to an objectionable little scum-bag, who has clearly done this kind of thing before
Lets try to keep it legal-ish. But the funnier and more imaginative the better.Posted 9 years ago
to be fair, a change od government is your best bet. what he has done is fully protected by law to ‘encourage employment levels’
it happens frequently in my industry, one company has done it 4 times in 10 years, each time taking lots of sole traders for amounts up to £10k
its despicablePosted 9 years agowwaswasSubscriber
other than the usual wee shoe interaction.
is he in a business where you can place orders and he has to buy stuff in to satusfy them. You could arrange for orders to be placed but subsequently cancelled prior to delivery and payment but where he still has liability to his suppliers?
to be honest he sounds liek someone who’ll be better at this sort of thing than you and you might end up with more grief than you are having now.}
Mark it up to experience and move on. The best solution for you is to change the way you do business.
I’d look at gettign a bigger deposit up front from new customers if I were you or makign stage payments necessary ad usign a factor – you still get your money that way.Posted 9 years agoGNARGNARMember
My business got stung for 2k in our first year of trading by a complete ****, who as it turned out owed in excess of £100,000 to various companies in town. The thing that really sickened me was that while we were working for him he had the nerve to tell me how he’d been out shopping for cars and houses for his daughters……. absolute f**er.
At the time I was going to check with company house for his address, then go around his house some night and put his windows in, put acid on his car etc, I never bothered in the end.Posted 9 years agoourmaninthenorthSubscriber
All of these suggestions (apart from a non-Tory alternative government) are very sensible.
What binners clearly requires is a bomber-owning style suggestion. I’ll start the ball rolling:
OK, so if you know his name and presumably he is a director of either the existing or his new company, his home address will be on public record at Companies House….
So, like a game of pass the parcel, what do we now suggest binners do with this information…?Posted 9 years ago-m-Member
There is some phoenix company legislation that means that directors can be held personally liable for the debts of a company if the same directors were responsible for a previous company that traded with a similar name and didn’t meet its obligations to creditors.
That’s only the debts of the new company rather than the old, so probably doesn’t help.
We had a similar situation with a design/marketing company that ceased trading owing us money. I was overjoyed 6 months later to see a mailing from our local chamber of commerce that heralded the great success of the ‘same’ company. It was so nice to see the local chamber of commerce supporting local businesses…Posted 9 years ago
02035654 D PRESENTATION SERVICES (BRISTOL) LIMITED Dissolved
04169244 D PRESENTATION SERVICES GROUP LIMITED Dissolved
06690584 PRESENTATION SERVICES LONDON LIMITED
same company, same investors, same trading address, same debtors. they even kept the same initials so they didn’t have to change their workwearPosted 9 years agonickcSubscriber
It’s pointless trying to do anything really. As other’s have suggested, he’s probably done this loads of times, knows the score, and more than likely a couple of big lads with a loose interpretation of the law. Breathe deeply, understand that you’re the better man, and move on. Next time the company looks dicey ask for money up front. It’s what I do, and it sorts the tossers and chancers out from the legitimate businesses.Posted 9 years agogusamcMember
If you know lots about the internet (and I’m assuming you know more than me) can you do anything to get some pages at the top of the common searches that will bring back his company details, name etc.
With factually accurate information obviously. And I’d check the law first but IMHO I believe that you can’t be done for displaying factually accurate information.Posted 9 years agobreatheeasyMember
Don’t try to ‘hack’ his site. It’s illegal, you’re the one probably going to get into even more bother. Sounds like this guy has some pretty clued-up lawyers of his own if he can keep just ahead of the rules so he’ll no doubt have a list of likely hackers (ie the people he’s ripped off before).
If you can play about with ordering/returning/not paying for stuff then fair play.
Strictly speaking he’s done nothing wrong. Not legally. Morally he sounds like someone you wouldn’t help if he was on fire.
Painful lesson learned.Posted 9 years agoMr AgreeableSubscriber
Oh and in all seriousness report these twunts to the FSA. It’s a well-known problem, and if they get enough complaints they can get him disbarred from being a director of a company. Not quite as good as hitting him on the head with some luridly-coloured forks, but close.Posted 9 years agomolgripsSubscriber
Before a company can be dissolved, notices are posted in some kind of gazette, and in some obscure newspaper too I think, so that any creditors can object and try and get their money back.
I can’t remember the names of the publications (or if they are available online), but it should also be available through the CH website if you set up a watch on a company. You should see all the company activity on there.
I can find out more about disqualification of directors if you like. Guess where I work?Posted 9 years ago
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