Cotic Soul vs. Genesis 853
If you’re going light, why go for steel? What about something like a giant xtc? I’ve got one with reba uturns on set up 1×9 and it’s lush. About 100 notes cheaper than a soul and you get the headset!
Just a thought like 🙂
I also run a chumba hx1 1×9 and that’s suprisngly light even with 150mm revsPosted 6 years ago
@rob – I just like steel – the thin tubes, the clean look, and the Reynolds badges. I got a Raleigh Eclipse with a Reynolds frame when I was about 11/12 years old – still remember the excitement, I had worn holds in the Raleigh brochure by the time it arrived on the shop.
Lots of stupid reasons like that, plus practical ones like the comfort. Have a Roadrat commuter bike, like the little bit of give in the frame.Posted 6 years agoKryton57Subscriber
George – I own a Genesis Altitude and have riden with a guy with a Soul. I’d say your differences are in the adaptability of the bike. Souls can go to 140/150mm on the fork and ridden/built hardcore. The Altitude is much more of a “Trail” than “Mountain” orientated bike IMO topping out at 130mm. That said the altitude/latitude is a sweet ride, and is getting much praise in its lowest form in the MBR Long Termers test at the moment – there’s a real difference in the feel of the complaince compared to some other bikes. I’ve just ridden mine tonight on dry woodsy single track (I ride it all year and race it too) and its just a beutifully comfortable, compliant and exilarating ride. Its CEN rated anyway so Peaks/Welsh trips will be fine.
My ride here in the SE is 90% singletrack – both bikes would cope admirably but the Genesis has the better geometry for racing and a 120mm for the trail – hence my choice. If you want a “name”, or a rival to a 456, Blue Pig, Evil with sme adaptability, get the Soul.
BTW, The genesis is more common than you think – there are loads about with them that also rate them very highly – its not as leftfield as is made out sometimes.Posted 6 years agochiefgrooveguruMember
I doubt my Soul is twice as good as a cheaper steel frame but from another perspective the absolute price difference isn’t very much in the scheme of most MTBers annual parts spend! Great with a 140mm fork too, despite what the “120mm is the best compromise” statements would have you believe…Posted 6 years agotakisawa2Subscriber
Which Niner ? The SIR9 looks very nice. 🙂
What about Sandersons ? The Life only takes 100mm forks, but the Blitz can handle a bigger fork.
I’ve had a Soul, albeit briefly. They are nice. The only steel Genesis I have tried felt a bit harsh by comparison, but it wasn’t an 853 version; not sure how that compares. I have to say, I thought the basic Inbred with a 120mm fork a serious contender to the Soul, (don’t laugh). Ok, it’s got another pound of weight from the off, but in terms of feel I thought it very similar, albeit £200 more expensive.Posted 6 years ago
Just browsing for a hardtail frame, I’ll put it together 1×9 – it’ll be my light bike, going to use it for riding local trail centres for fitness, have a Spicy for having fun on.
I’m test riding a Niner this weekend, but a 29er would be a very expensive option, as I have all the bits (including 140mm air Pikes) to build a nice 1×9 26er, so the 29er would have to blow me away to be an option.
I really like the look of the Soul, but I’m looking into the alternatives before making the purchase – the Genesis 853 frame looks very close to the Soul, for £80 less – anyone tried it/compared it, or recommend similar?
Have looked at Transition TransAM/Blue pig and a few similar, but I think they’re a bit more bike than what I’m after.Posted 6 years ago
Had the same (in my head) discussion recently. Soul (£480 with Hope seat clamp) or a Genesis Latitude (£399).
In the end this site made my mind up – Bike Active….thought I was getting a 2010 version although a nice person from Bike Active phoned up and said ‘None left – would you take a 2011 one?’
So it was £345 + and a free Hope Headset (which I was going to buy anyway)….result
How does it ride? Lovely not regretting it at all….although some of the donor parts might need upgrading 😉Posted 6 years ago
@messiah – would consider the Whyte, but I don’t think it can be had frame only as yet.
@damo – don’t really want something stiff or racy, I’m more a leisurely sort.
@ironside – that’s very interesting…. although my fork steerer is v. short, so I’ll probably end up needing to use a Crank Bros. headset to save a few mm. Still, a spare hope headset is always good. And they seem to ship to Ireland for free.Posted 6 years agoprezetMember
If you wanted a Soul (and that would be my choice), there’s a mint condition one here on ebay:Posted 6 years agomboySubscriber
Soul and Altitude/Latitude are very similar in geometry, weight and ride feel IMO. I’ve owned an Altitude, and ridden Souls, and can’t really tell the difference.
Aesthetically, I actually prefer the more conventional seat stays on the Genesis over the Wishbone stays on the Soul. But that is a minor point.
Personally I think running a 140mm fork on either is a little bit missing the point, these bikes are singletrack carvers rather than boulderfield munchers (there’s the BFe and the Alpitude for that), and 120mm is definitely a sweetspot on both IMO.
If you’re interested, I’ve got a well used, but Good condition, 853 Genesis Altitude frame for sale in 17.5″ now. Only reason it’s for sale is I eventually upgraded to the Ti version of the same!Posted 6 years agodukeduvetSubscriber
Same dilemma here!
Will be trying a Cotic and Genesis Latitude a week Saturday.
Cy was really helpful in arranging to send a Soul out to a local dealer, it is worth buying a Cotic for customer service alone!
ironside – any chance of a pic of your Genesis please?Posted 6 years agoPaulGillespieMember
Bought a Latitude 853 in Feb and i really like it. Don’t think i’d swap it for anything. As others have said, 120 is best but I have u-turns and run it at 140 on rougher trails and it’s fine. I’ve been through a few hardtail frames in the last 2 years but i’ll be keeping this one for some time. Personally, get the one that your heart wants or get the cheapest\best deal. With the Latitude you’ll need an xx-44 headset, Ragley do good ones, infact, get the one with the internal lower cup bearings, this would steepen the geo a little and make the 140mm forks seem better for everyday riding. Would also help hugely with your short steerer.Posted 6 years agodukeduvetSubscriber
Thanks ironside, like the colour and a decent frame to upgrade over time.
I rode a Soul and Latitude 10 at the weekend, the Soul felt like you could tackle the alps. The Latitude was not an 853 frame but still felt really great through the singletrack. Deal wise the Genesis wins hands down but the Soul is something quite special. I can recomend Sprockets Cycles in Kilmarmock for anyone wanting either frame
Just need to sell my Zaskar frame to fund new purchase.Posted 6 years ago
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