- Cotic Rocket… pricing
I think that the pricing should have waited until after Cotic had a finished, production frame and some professional marketing images.
The only photo of the droplink on Cotic’s website shows what to me looks like an unfinished prototype, something only an engineer, or its mother/father, could love. Maybe that’s intentional but I suspect not, Cotic’s products are usually clean looking & aesthetically pleasing.Posted 6 years agoNorthwindSubscriber
Seems about the going rate for a quality full suss? Sure, you can get a Heckler (with a cheaper shock) or a Mega or similiar for less but comparing like for like I don’t see that it’s either expensive or cheap. And not much more than the Hemlock was either surely?
I won’t be buying one I think- Hemlock suits me very nicely thanks, the changes on the new bike take it away from what I love about my blunt axe.Posted 6 years agoNorthwindSubscriber
Pricing is on Cotic’s facebook btw
Stevelol – Member
Expensive if you ask me, especially sheen you can get a new Covert with kashima rp23 for cheaper than the cheapest there,
They’re £1400 everywhere I look 😕 Found a 2011 one (without kashima) for £1200 but you can’t really compare RRP with discounted rates.Posted 6 years ago
Cotic aren’t On-One, no one seems to complain about the Soul being £500, that’s a lot for a hardtail. They also seem to be one of the most common bikes on here. If i was in the market for a new FS frame for about £1400 then a Rocket would be very high on my list. They’re designed here and Cotic are built up and tested near me, customer service always seems to be superb too.Posted 6 years agoMTB RobMember
I think it not bad price, even when you look at the price of shocks, BOS Vip’r cost £479RRP not sure if that is custom tune thou.
Also when you think of the price of every has gone up, raw material, shipping etc and Cy is not cutting corners by specing lower spec tubing to try and keep the cost down as Cotic is all about the ride/feel/fun etc.Posted 6 years ago
Also small-ish production runs do not help with lowering the cost.
A bit dearer than I was expecting.
I was thinking about £1299 for the Kashima RP23.
But looking around, it seems a lot of frames have gone up in price for 2012 so I can see why these prices have been chosen.
Anyway – it probably wont matter for many if it rides really well.
Personally, it seems a bit close to 5-spot/mojo/sb66/tracer/mach5/etc money. But I’ll still be looking out for it in 18bikes.Posted 6 years agoojomMember
it seems a bit close to 5-spot/mojo/sb66/tracer/mach5/etc money
I am interested (non confrontationally obviously) as to why you think it wouldn’t/shouldn’t be without even seeing it or riding it. It may be as good as and it is actually a heap cheaper too.
Frames aren’t going to be getting any cheaper and as the manufacturing countries workers earn more, and quite right too, then they will keep going up.
We reckon it might be a bit special based on Cotic’s other bikes. Plus, you will retain a lot on the used market in the future as evidenced by other Cotic bikes. Percentage wise probably more than the other frames mentioned. This makes it even cheaper 😀Posted 6 years ago
I just meant that it’s not a ‘no-brainer’. Full build cost will be around the same sort of area as those other bikes mentioned.
Some of them (well only two on my list) are made in the companies own country too, which matters to some (I respect manufacturers who do this as it’s the harder route).
The other point is that most people think those mentioned are overpriced.
The soul is more of a no-brainer because if you want an 853 hardtail, there are very few about. It’s half the price of a UK or US made one and the weight is as good as any. Once you start looking, it’s hard to see a viable alternative.
Of course, we only know the price and a few photos so far, but as that’s the way Si has chosen to do it, it’s inevitable that we’ll be drawing conclusions.
Just to contradict myself yet again, my wife’s business advisor said that you should charge the highest price that the market will stand. I’m pretty sure that’s what this price is. I think it’ll sell as long as it’s good.Posted 6 years agoahwilesSubscriber
and don’t forget that picture’s of the the full-steel prototype.
(i can tell that the white bit’s steel aswell because i’ve got special eyes…)
the finished version will (probably) look less ‘diy’…
But i think the one above looks ace – i’m bored of the modern ‘hydroformed-for-the-sake-of-it’ look.Posted 6 years agotomlevellMember
Ditto what ahwiles says.
Clearly you don’t want that metal bit sticking out of the stay at about calf height but it’s a prototype.
As for the price it seems competitive to me especially when you consider the cost/weight/travel of say the US boutique brands. Plus you get a special shock (assuming it is actually better which most reviews suggest it is) for the top price.
I’m more interested in a bit shorter travel version which by the sounds of things are in the works for the future.
That and I have no money for such things at the present time so I’ll stick with my Hemlock for now.
Tom (Cotic Fanboy)Posted 6 years agohoraMember
After what happened to the previous full suss I don’t think I’d pay those prices.
I’m quite vocal about the pricing on the ‘Five’ but at least its established/proven. Weren’t the old Cotic full suss frames knocked out at a reduced price at the end?
Sorry, this isn’t a dig at you Cy. I just think £1,300 is alot of money and thats asking customers to have a leap of faith for that price point.
Why not introduce a single pivot/simple frame at a lower price point as the start of a full suss range builder?
A low-slung, lightweight alu frame with single pivot (weight clump around the BB area for stability) would win alot of fans.Posted 6 years agojamesoSubscriber
It’s a lot for a steel frame made in China
Where did that bit of info come from? It’s made in pretty much the most capable, high quality factory I know of in Taiwan.
TBH I’d be more likely to pay that kind of £ for an 853 framed FS bike that’s competitive on weight, I’d be a lot more confident in it outlasting the shock than some alu frames. I like it, it’s a sound design and I’d trust it.
Can’t see what they offer over the Rocket really, unles you just don’t like SP bikes. I like them, especially ones that have factored in the brake responses well, which Cotic suggest they have done.Posted 6 years agohoraMember
I like it, it’s a sound design and I’d trust it.
How do you ‘know’ it?? Surely if you work for Cotic (I don’t know if you do or don’t? but your comments read that way??) then your opinion is biased.
Talking of steel full sussers- anyone remember KeeWee bikes full sus frames in steel??Posted 6 years ago
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