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  • Cotic Jeht Gen 2: First Looks (No Feels)
  • Ben_Haworth
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    The Jeht is Cotic’s most recent suspension model, debuting in late 2020. Late 2023 brings in the next generation AKA the Cotic Jeht Gen 2.

    By ben_haworth

    Get the full story here:

    Cotic Jeht Gen 2: First Looks (No Feels)

    Blackflag
    Free Member

    I have the gen 1 and its proper sorted so glad they havent really changed it.

    But looking at the mullet options on the website show the head angle drop from 64.5 to 64.4 yet the seat angle drops from 76.2 to 75.1 – Is this really correct?

     

    kelvin
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    The mullet builds use a Works angleset to keep the headangle/handling in the same ballpark.

    WildHunter2009
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    Biggest issue I have with this, is the lovely red colour is now unlikely to be the next Flaremax colour 🙁  I really like the slightly darker red Cotic use sometimes but South Downs based means a Flaremax is really the better bike.  Maybe need a demo!

    cy
    Full Member

    If you can get a day off in the week, our Showroom in Chesterfield is open Wed-Fri 10-4 and you can demo a bike from the door. Coffee is good too. Come and see us.

    explorerboy
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    I very much *want* a RocketMAX as my next FS. I think it’s likely that a Jeht2 (especially in Sage Green… lovely and understated) will actually be the next FSer

    davros
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    Partner has a Brompton in that matt sage colour. Maybe I need to get the matching jeht 🤔

    Blackflag
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    The mullet builds use a Works angleset to keep the headangle/handling in the same ballpark.

    You know what? I actually already knew that but then managed to totally forget it. Cheers for reminding me.

    highlandman
    Free Member

    Idle musings… I wonder how this would ride with a Z1 Coil at 150mm.

    I know, that’s then getting quite close to a RocketMax trail build but I’m unconvinced that the rocket is what I really need for big days in the mountains.

    pedlad
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    Me likey a lot and could be a do it all contender to replace current Banshee Spitfire gen 2. What’s the frame weight like and is it all steel or the rear triangle alu?

    Blackflag
    Free Member

    Rear is Alu.

    When i compared my frame with others around I concluded it basically weighed the same as its alu competition.

    stevehine
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    This might be what I need to upgrade my now 5-year old FlareMax. I wonder if it’s worth changing the whole bike; or just swapping most of the bits over … Also, @cy – I assume you *also* do good tea ? I’m not a coffee fan (I know, shame on me!) 

    StuF
    Full Member

    This is definitely at the top of my list if I ever get a full suss. I think it would be an ideal bike for Peaks and occasional Lakes visits

    ayjaydoubleyou
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    Bike looks nice, well done Cotic. Additionally, well done Ben for putting a decent and useful article together based on the press release.

    Another brand that has gone to a weird sizing nomenclature.

    After the last decade of brands telling us “trust us, longer reach is good, buy the same letter size you would normally get, but the bike will be longer and thats deliberate and desireable” have we now switched to “pick a size based on the reach you want“?

    weeksy
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    The big problem for me at the moment is that all the big guys are knocking out bikes for buttons. Think of the Spec Enduro, the Santa Cruz 5010, the Specialized Status, the Trek Remedy, etc etc and more… It makes throwing £4000+ at a bike really tough to do. I get that the Cotic is ‘different’ but you’ve got to really really want a Cotic i think

    DaveyBoyWonder
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    I was tempted to get a Jeht 18 months or so back but stuck with what I know and went for an Orange Five Evo but still look at these and think that they’re one of the VERY few bikes that’d be on my shortlist if I needed a new one-bike-for-all. They just look very “right”.

    cy
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    @highlandman I would say it would be pluuuuuuuuush! We can get Z1s if you want ’em. Drop us an email for a price.

    cy
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    @stevehine If you’re bits are in good nick, then every single part on your FlareMAX will transfer across. I know. A brand keeping consistence parts fitment over a period of years. Imagine that?!!! If any need replacement, we can sort you bits from our stock. Drop us an email and we’ll get you fixed up.

    cy
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    @ayjaydoubleyou Problem with ‘medium’ sizing etc is that not all companies’ mediums are the same, so you get people getting weirdly emotionally attached to the fact “I ride a large” even if that’s not the right size for them on a Cotic. Especially if you’re recommending going to something smaller than they would normally ride. Humans are weird. C-sizing makes people look at the numbers and consider what they actually need.

    cy
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    @weeksy It’ll wash out in the end and those prices on other brands with chinese made carbon won’t last forever. It’s annoying to be getting kicked in the nuts for getting it mostly right in terms of stock and not being greedy though.

    cy
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    @pedlad Thanks! Swingarm is aluminium, seatstays are steel, links are aluminium. Frame weight is 4.5kg give or take. Depends on shock and size. It’ll vary +-150 grams depending on that.

    weeksy
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    It’s annoying to be getting kicked in the nuts for getting it mostly right in terms of stock and not being greedy though.

    I expect the MTB/Cycling industry is bloody hard work right now fella and i don’t envy your position in the slightest.

    fahzure
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    @Blackflag I wonder if @cy (or someone else) will make links and a forward shock mount to correct the STA in mullet mode?

    cy
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    @weeksy Thanks

    cy
    Full Member

    @fahzure Problem with doing that is the kinematic gets weird and we run into clearance issues with the seatstay against the seat tube. Droplink is quite sensitive to pivot positions.

    Blackflag
    Free Member

    As your on here Cy…

    I use my Jeht for Dyfi, Antur and BPW every now and then. Thinking of mulleting mine on those days with just the standard headset in. So its max slack!! Good or bad idea?

    honourablegeorge
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    @cy – Do you sell without a shock? Any special tune needed for a Float X on this frame?

    barney
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    @blackflag – I *might’ve* done this from time to time (with a 27.5×2.8, so perhaps not as slack as you’re thinking) – works well. It’s fun in the corners; less good at climbing. YMMV 🙂

    noeffsgiven
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    The select+ is the same as the ultimate damper but without all the adjusters, errrr, okay, not much point without the adjusters though. How much more is the SD ultimate costing Cotic, think I’d be happier to pay the difference, usually frame only deals spec the top of the range shock.

    kelvin
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    Choice of four shocks if ordering frame only (RS Deluxe Select+, CaneCreek DB Air IL, RS SuperDeluxe Ultimate RC2T or Fox FloatX Factory). The Select+ is the most affordable and fit and forget (and lighter then the SuperDeluxe).

    chakaping
    Free Member

    The select+ is the same as the ultimate damper but without all the adjusters, errrr, okay, not much point without the adjusters though.

    In the forks at least, the Select+ model just works really well – despite not having the HSC dial.

    Probably helps that I’m average weight and not extreme in riding style.

    cy
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    @blackflag It’s doable. Particularly on the Gen1 as it has a slightly higher BB than Gen 2. Roughly speaking it will slacken all your angles by 1 deg, shorten reach by around 10mm and drop the BB 12mm, which makes it 39mm drop static. Just be careful of your pedals on rocks.

    cy
    Full Member

    @honourablegeorge We don’t sell without shocks unless you have a shock that we currently use. We have had trouble in the past with people putting in any old shock without the right setup and damaging themselves and the frames. We spec the Float X, so if you have one in 210×55 then that would be OK. No special tune required. 

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